Perhaps this isn’t new, as I’ve only been on Lemmy for around 3 months, but up until this point I hadn’t noticed spam, advertising, scams, etc at all on Lemmy. However, within the last 2 days I’ve seen at least 3 examples of obvious spam posts, made by accounts clearly dedicated to that purpose. Has anyone else noticed this? And are there steps we could take to counter it (perhaps a report button)?

m-p{3}
link
fedilink
21
edit-2
1Y

Every platform that becomes popular eventually ends up being spammed.

My suggestion would be some kind of filter that keeps track of several metrics related to the domain name linked, ie how often the domain name is part of reports, how recently the domain name has been registered, etc and if the link seems untrustworthy, have the submission or comment filtered and require a manual approval by the community mod(s) before it shows up for everyone else.

And personally I’d auto-block any URL shorteners services, they don’t serve a valid purpose here and can be used to hide the destination URL.

@nutomic
admin
link
fedilink
31Y

How do you detect URL shorteners? Simply by checking for a redirect using curl, or do you check against a list of urls? Domain review would be a lot of work to implement, i hope we can avoid that.

m-p{3}
link
fedilink
21Y

I currently just use a list of known URL shorteners domain names, and it reduced the spam a bit on the subreddit I moderate.

@nutomic
admin
link
fedilink
11Y

Problem is that someone needs to maintain that list.

m-p{3}
link
fedilink
2
edit-2
1Y

Every list needs a maintainer ;)

EDIT: Here’s a preliminary list

https://github.com/m-p-3/domain-lists/blob/main/url-shorteners

@nutomic
admin
link
fedilink
21Y

And that maintainer needs to be trusted. But if we manage without a list, there is no need for extra trust nor maintenance work.

m-p{3}
link
fedilink
21Y

Fair point.

@gun
link
fedilink
151Y

I found it kind of funny first. This site is a smaller forum filled with people who are interested in privacy and security and are generally tech literate enough to spot a scam. Not sure what they hope to gain over doing this on a bigger website, but it’s interesting we are on these people’s radar.

krolden
link
fedilink
71Y

Spam knows no economic or physical boundaries. They just spam indiscriminately.

Dessalines
admin
link
fedilink
121Y

Outside of other solutions ppl proposed below, we do just need more active admins, across different timezones. The report queue has really helped, but there’s not enough of us looking at them.

Cleaning things up only takes a few seconds with the ban + remove content action.

Also a lot of these spam posts do seem automated, which means our captcha here isn’t doing as good a job as it should be 😞

krolden
link
fedilink
71Y

I think its just that captcha is so cheap and easy to bypass. I’m sure you know about the farms of people solving captcha for bots and other spam services.

Captcha is more of a user annoyance at this point.

@Tomat0
link
fedilink
11Y

Would some sort of Bayesian filter help? At least from what I’ve seen on PeerTube, WriteFreely, and the history of email is that certain patterns crop up in the posts.

Dessalines
admin
link
fedilink
11Y

It might, but either signup applications like we’re getting ready for the next release, or some kind of minimal activity restrictions would probably work best.

@Thann
link
fedilink
11Y

Maybe, in addition to admins, there could be demi-mods where when they report something, it becomes hidden? Or some other democratic approach; I remember League of Legends did a “tribunal” thing where users could vote on whether something was appropriate. Maybe something like that could distribute the admin-load without giving people unilateral-ban-power.

krolden
link
fedilink
11Y

Spam moves faster than democracy.

@Thann
link
fedilink
21Y

It moves faster than fascism too =P

krolden
link
fedilink
61Y

Nah fascism is just better at disguising their spam as an attack on your personal liberties by the communists.

@Thann
link
fedilink
-31Y

I’m saying the current moderation strategy is pure fascism

@Seb3thehacker
link
fedilink
3
edit-2
3M

deleted by creator

overflow
link
fedilink
101Y

Yes I’ve noticed it’s just been occasional so far tho and there’s actually a report button just click the three dots under a post then click the flag to fill out the report form and click report when you’re finished

@masu
link
fedilink
5
edit-2
10M

deleted by creator

overflow
link
fedilink
51Y

the former

Dessalines
admin
link
fedilink
111Y

Its both, both admins and community mods see reports now.

@masu
link
fedilink
2
edit-2
10M

deleted by creator

Halce
link
fedilink
9
edit-2
1Y

I think the Lemmy devs should really consider implementing privacy pass for this problem: https://github.com/brave-intl/challenge-bypass-ristretto

krolden
link
fedilink
81Y

There’s a report button already but I believe it only reports to the instance admin and not the whole federation. From what ive seen is the spam is mostly coming from instances with not much activity otherwise.

This is one of the reasons voat died, they didn’t want to pay anyone to add any anti spam measures since the entire thing was just a school project that blew up.

@nutomic
admin
link
fedilink
101Y

Bans arent federated yet, so an admin on instance A might ban a user + remove his posts, but other instance wont know about it. This will need a bit more time to implement, and should improve the spam situation a lot.

I take care of 2 giant sublemmys and remove spam within 12-24 hours. I hope we could get more good moderators on board to be able to put in required community work.

@marmulak
banned
link
fedilink
71Y

lol “sublemmy”

krolden
link
fedilink
11Y

Giant? What number of uswrs/posts qualify a sub for giant label?

c/privacy and c/technology are the main big sublemmys here.

krolden
link
fedilink
21Y

Oh huh I guess I never actually looked at the number of subscribers.

Dessalines
admin
link
fedilink
61Y

Just a note that I’ve de emphasized subscriber count, as its fairly useless considering the number of ppl who signup then never come back. Active users per month is pry the best indicator for popularity.

@Seb3thehacker
link
fedilink
2
edit-2
3M

deleted by creator

@LLVMcompile
link
fedilink
71Y

Maybe nofollow and ugc attrib on outgoing links could help?

@nutomic
admin
link
fedilink
41Y

@dessalines@lemmy.ml This sounds like a good idea, what do you think?

Dessalines
admin
link
fedilink
21Y

Sure, I’ll add an issue.

@ClassicallyCommie
creator
link
fedilink
21Y

That sounds like a great idea! Although I didn’t know what that meant until looking it up just now lol

Could be Reddit’s attempt to make Lemmy less appealing by adding spam to it

@Thann
link
fedilink
101Y

doubt it

@ClassicallyCommie
creator
link
fedilink
81Y

lol

@masterofballs
link
fedilink
4
edit-2
3M

deleted by creator

@xvf
link
fedilink
51Y

Some people just have way too much time on their hands.🤷

@nutomic
admin
link
fedilink
31Y

Most of it seems to be done by companies, so there must be a way they profit from it.

@Echedenyan
admin
link
fedilink
41Y

How can someone present theirself as admin?

@Thann
link
fedilink
3
edit-2
1Y

There are even seemingly spam-communities like !wetshaving

@AgreeableLandscape
admin
link
fedilink
2
edit-2
1Y

Just a quick reminder to users: if you see spam, simply commenting “spam” or downvoting it doesn’t alert the mods. It’s best to hit the report button and/or comment directly mentioning the mods of the community or the admins of the instance where the post originates from.

If you report the offending post to the admins of another instance (Lemmy.ml sees this a lot since we one of the biggest instances that almost everyone knows), they can only remove and ban on their own instance, whereas the home instance admins can ban the account from posting at all, and if they remove it, it should propagate through to the federated instances.

CHEF-KOCH
banned
link
fedilink
-8
edit-2
1Y

Define spam, advertising, scams, etc.

Practical everything is an ad, info or notice what you post because you want to make people aware of things. There are some ads here, but they’re quickly getting reported. I reported myself lots of things already, it is normal.

Maybe link the examples or report them, otherwise this is hard to understand what you exactly mean.

Edit

Down-vote after 3 seconds, wow…

This is a good example of spam: an account makes several posts like these to wrong communities. The post is a blatant ad for some assignment help website with link included (of course I didn’t put the whole post here).

CHEF-KOCH
banned
link
fedilink
91Y

Yeah, this is sadly something that will never be entirely fixed in social media. Twitter fights this by enforcing a telephone number to avoid bot posts and even then there are ways to bypass it.

Just report it and hope the mods, admins see that and ban such people, I think those are bot accounts.

@ClassicallyCommie
creator
link
fedilink
41Y

I wasn’t aware there already was a report button, guess I should have checked before posting :/ Hopefully reporting it for admins to handle should be enough to counter the problem for now. For that solution to scale well as Lemmy grows, I’d imagine Lemmy would have to expand by adding new instances that each stay relatively small rather than consolidating users on a handful of instances, otherwise large instances would be overrun by spam without more drastic measures in place.

@LLVMcompile
link
fedilink
71Y

The bots are custom made, because there is no nofollow attribute. 90% of the spam will basically disappear if and when its implemented (from experience running web blogs)

@Thann
link
fedilink
31Y

I feel like some links shouldnt have it still. Maybe just links to Lemmy instances? Whitelist/blacklist?

CHEF-KOCH
banned
link
fedilink
-51Y

I came up with a proposal to restrict communities bases on some conditions, account age, overall posts etc. They said they look into it.

This would be the only way to prevent spam without enforcing phone number.

@masu
link
fedilink
1
edit-2
10M

deleted by creator

This is simply the i386 theme for Lemmy, I’m using Firefox.

@masu
link
fedilink
1
edit-2
10M

deleted by creator

What I like about the theme is how it feels somewhat retro. Also, because of the blue background, it functions as a different dark theme.

@masu
link
fedilink
2
edit-2
10M

deleted by creator

@masterofballs
link
fedilink
9
edit-2
3M

deleted by creator

@ClassicallyCommie
creator
link
fedilink
51Y

I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that Lemmy doesn’t keep track of user karma. Perhaps it does internally but doesn’t display it in the ui? Otherwise, this sounds like a good suggestion.

@gun
link
fedilink
81Y

Karma is kept track of on the back end. But Lemmy ui doesn’t show it. It’s in the API tho.

@masu
link
fedilink
6
edit-2
10M

deleted by creator

@masterofballs
link
fedilink
4
edit-2
3M

deleted by creator

A loosely moderated place to ask open ended questions

If your post is

  1. Open ended
  2. Not offensive
  3. Not regarding lemmy support (c/lemmy_support)
  4. not ad nauseam inducing (please make sure its a question that would be new to most members)

it’s welcome here!

  • 0 users online
  • 24 users / day
  • 62 users / week
  • 157 users / month
  • 517 users / 6 months
  • 3.15K subscribers
  • 1.03K Posts
  • 12K Comments
  • Modlog