Do we really need self upvotes in Lemmy?

I never really thought about the automatic self upvote on Reddit and Lemmy. But after reading this article Dont let me like my own post, i’m wondering if we should just get rid of it. Its not really adding anything, or does it? Plus removing it would slightly simplify the code, and slightly less federation messages would get sent (probably unnoticable in practice).

@SoftBun
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the cool thing about automatic self upvote is that nobody need to feel arrogant for voting own content. so I think automatic upvote or no ability to self vote are both fine (but I kinda like how score starts at +1)

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Some people are suggesting to disable self votes, but start posts/comments at 1 point. I think thats a great idea, because it would also help Pleroma/Mastodon users. Those cant send votes, so they currently start at 0 points.

@morrowind
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I think we should remove it, and it would also provide an extra way to distinguish your post / comment as it would not have arrows.

That said, I think whatever you post should still start at 1. Things starting at 0 is a programming thing that should not carry over to real life, and personally I am used to seeing something with a score of zero as bad or negative (likely the same for most other people). The assumption that you approve of your own post is a reasonable one I think.

@tracyspcy
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Of course we need. Otherwise you have to fight with “downvoted” perception.

@ganymede
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i personally prefer the stackexchange model of default being 0 and no self upvotes.

but in general as long as it’s consistent i suppose it doesn’t matter an awful lot.

@jedrax
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@daojones
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I personally don’t think it’s an issue.

@nutomic
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Yes, thats why i posted it here and not on github :)

m-p{3}
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IMO it’s worth having it auto-upvoted. Who posts something and then downvote themselves anyway? Or another option would be to disable the ability to vote on your own submissions, to be as “impartial” and fair as possible?

@newhoa
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I downvote myself (or at least un-upvote myself) sometimes for a few reasons.

One, if I’ve made a mistake or been persuaded by another’s response.

Two, if I see another response that is better or more important than mine and I think theirs should be above mine (or mine below).

@greensand
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Or start with zero and don’t allow voting on one’s own posts at all. The whole idea of voting is getting the community’s opinion after all

@nutomic
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Yes thats how i imagined it, should have made that clearer.

I’d still say start at 1, I think maybe seeing the 1 might motivate people less to make alt accounts to upvote themselves?

poVoq
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Why wouldn’t I up-vote links that I posted myself? Upvote just means that I want people to see this in their feed, which is why I posted it in the first place, no?

mickie
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I don’t like the point of voting (both upvoting and downvoting) your own posts/comments. As some say it’s better to start with 1 when you post/comment. Simplifies the code and simplifies the user interface, improving the experience.

I don’t really see the point of voting on your own posts. I’d be happy to get rid of it.

Lionel C-R
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I think it’s good to have it. The number represents the number of person finding the post interesting. Surely the OP would be the first one to find it interesting and could always downvote later on if they change their mind.

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I think we do need them because its s pain to have to manually upvote your own stuff anytime you do anything (its the same on minds were you have to upvote manually which is so annoying)

I just want to see the UI of Lemmy better follow the laws of proximity

@gun
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In fact, there’s some legitimate use for the ability to like your own stuff; I’ve chosen to un-upvote or even downvote my own Reddit posts if I later decide I was wrong (or in one case because I realized I misread the person I was replying to and said something rather abrasive as a result).

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