Accelerate to the future. Privacy is fundamental.
POV 2024:
we are now desperately trying to get people off of signal because it turned out it was privacywashing (like greenwashing, but with privacy)
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Just goes to show that there is no perfect solution atm. Doesn’t invalidate signal imho.
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Uh oh. What did I miss about WhatsApp?
The post is from 3 years ago, around that time, where facebook bought WhatsApp if my memory serve me right.
Tf is wrong with my hot algorithm that I’m getting 3yo posts on my front page? 😅
That’s a very good question 😂
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why centralized telegram that even has no encryption by default belongs to valid alternative?
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It’s not displayed as an alternative, it clearly says, “one of these apps is not like the others”, meaning Signal isn’t like the rest of bullshit on the list.
read just few lines below comparison pic ;)
Ahhhhhh, that’s hot, that’s hot
I will also leave whatsapp. It’s true that I hardly use it. In my case I use Telegram. Why to Signal? Telegram is much more widespread than Signal. I understand that Telegram is not 100% secure, but neither is Signal when you need a phone number. That is the first rule.
before answering, i’d like to preface that i personally don’t take in consideration the number of users when analyzing the value of a tool, as 100% of my friends can reach me via sms.
i’m not going into the technical details of why signal is more secure than anything else in our age (i invite you to make your own way into their blog https://signal.org/blog) the striking thing about people working on signal is their intention; the tool is completely open-source, the foundation is a non-profit based on donations. we’re seeing what happens when durov’s money starts to run out: how long will his ads strategy last, before he needs to invent another trick to keep the boat afloat?
The problem with Signal is that its from the United States, which means the have to follow the orders of CIA and other agencies. Telegram doesn’t have that problem.
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thanks for the feedback, i went reading that and reviewed the webpage i think i was too messianic about signal, so i left signal as the first suggestion, but invite the reader to explore the complexity of the topic
I’m also worried they don’t provide any warning to users that use the default GBoard keyboard, which sends pretty much everything you type to Google (or has the ability to do that).
that’s a good point. how could one improve that? might someone offer a location for the signal team to move in another country?
I doubt that’s going to happen. In the medium and long term, I think that Matrix will be the best solution, but its gonna take more time for it to be fully usable. So for now we have to make compromises.
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Just out of curiosity, what makes matrix not fully usable at this time?
The mobile app seems more focused on group chats than something like whatsapp or telegram, which makes it a bit more complicated to use. Also, sometimes I still get decryption errors so certain messages are unreadable.
Session, Status and maybe Spixi are good alternative but they are all too young in my opinion. Session is the best concept, though.
Well, that doesn’t really matter since they don’t store anything, so if they would get subpoenaed they couldn’t give anything of value. If laws change and they force to have backdoors, well, that’s another story but until then that’s not a valid argument.
The problem is that their app is only distributed through the Google and Apple app stores, so for the average users its impossible if what they install actually matches the source code. And they dont allow distribution through F-Droid (which compiles directly from source). An agency like the CIA could easily serve a malicious Signal update to a specific user.
Telegram is on F-droid.
I’m talking about Signal.
Oh right, so that’s a strong argument for telegram being safer than signal. That really bucks the conventional wisdom.
to be exact : TELEGRAM FOSS
I think that the CIA would do that with very specific people, it’s not like it’s going to be wasting attacks at random, and that people should probably download the .apk from Signal’s website or use something more anonymous, like Briar.
We dont know that, and personally I wont take the chance. Downloading from their website is even more insecure by the way,
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They would do that with specific people, but atm it’s just safer to not use a smartphone at all if you think you are a target for that kind of thing - telegram for sure isn’t better
lmao are you serious?
counter argument: Signal is from the US and they have to follow the orders of agencies, but they are an american company. Telegram is in russia and free real estate for the american overfunded three letter agencies who I am sure are collecting every shitty not-encrypted telegram message.
They say that over 250 US companies and government agencies were hacked by Russia in the Solarwinds breach, so I wouldnt be so sure about this “free real estate”. But of course you are free to disagree, and free to choose the messenger that you prefer.
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Having to use a phone number has nothing to do with security, but privacy, and anyways it’s not designed to be anonymous, but private. They are working on the same model as Telegram where you need to log on with a number but then you can use a nickname to be contacted.
telegram is worse than whatsapp.
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