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This part of the solution is not even my idea. It’s a widely-used and working scheme. I’ve rented in many places with different regulations, and this is the one that works well.

I guess the TDP is funded from the interest on all the money it is storing. But maybe it’s tax-funded. It could be either.


Categories of poverty
Somebody today coined the term "hygiene poverty" which means not having enough money for things like toothpaste or perfume. It sounds exactly like normal poverty, like we don't need a new term for that. But it could be useful to categorise it. We already have food-poverty, bed-poverty, and housing-poverty. They are specific problems people have. People suffering one type of poverty are not necessarily suffering any of the others. So it is useful to be specific instead of lumping everyone together as if they are all face a more-or-less similar problem. We should use, extend, and formalise this concept.


That all sounds delicious. I’ll have to wait til somebody imports these culinary techniques to Europe. I guess our insects are probably just as good if prepared right.

I guess this food is very cheap, so it could be a much tastier alternative to the tofu- and corn syrup-based economy that’s providing for Europe’s food-poor.


From some quick research this seems to be the kernel

Something is either A or not A; there is no third. sweet, not sweet? green, not green? The determination should lead to determinateness, but in this triviality it leads to nothing.

it is said that there is no third. There is a third in this thesis itself. A itself is the third, for A can be both + A and - A.

Every concrete thing, every concrete something, stands in multifarious and often contradictory relations to everything else, ergo it is itself and some other.

Is that it, or close enough?


Grade inflation
Grade inflation is a problem. I think most people are already convinced of that, so I'll skip to the solution. It's simple. Percentiles. People no longer receive scores based directly on how many answers they got right. These scores are converted into percentiles. Percentiles are the number "what percentage of people did you score better than". So the subjects are divided equally into 100 groups. It is a simple and old thing, but it does solve the major problems with exams which are intractable under normal systems, and are today costing examining bodies years of effort to try to deal with.

Symmetrical deposits
This is just a simple solution to one age old problem - stopping the party with most power (usually the seller) from using deposits as a way to gain leverage the weaker one. It removes the unfairness and flaws the the way deposits normally work. Deposits are usually asymmetrical. They are charged by one party to give it leverage over the other, in the event that something falls through. For example if a hotel guest cancels a booking he loses the deposit, but if the hotel cancels it it pays nothing. So there is an asymmetry of power. It's unfair. In well-regulated areas, deposits are held by a trust. For example in the UK a deposit paid by a tenant does not go to the landlord. It goes to a "deposit protection scheme". This helps resolve all sorts of disputes. An uninterested party will judge whether the tenant has forfeited his deposit. Combining these two ideas yields the solution to the problem. The best way to deal with deposits is this: Both parties pay the same amount to a trust as a deposit. If either party breaks the agreement, he receives the other party's deposit plus his own. There is one additional benefits, made possible by this innovation: The deposit amount should be set not by one of the parties, but by regulation. For example it could be 10% of the transaction price. When entering the scheme, both parties can state if they prefer a different amount. The final deposit amount will be the median of the three amounts (the buyer's preference, the seller's preference, and the regulated amount).


snobby

y’all need to get out of your western bubble

It’s not actually a such a bad argument you’re making. But it’s very hard to take seriously when you include little bits of hypocrisy.


I’ve only tried them once, as a novelty snack. They were fine, crunchy and sour. I definitely wouldn’t choose it over a normal food.

But every time I’ve read about people making meals with insects (the same kind of endevour as the OP) the flavour is always hidden in a strong sauce.

What meals/recipes have you tried that were pretty good?


People say these things all the time. The problem is that insects taste awful. Famished people commonly eat insects, but nobody else. Telling people to eat insects is a bit pointless.

In terms of efficiency - extracting the most calories from the soil to the plate, poultry and rodents and hares are almost as good. If you’re asking people to switch, these are more realistic suggestions.


The EU's new energy plan is a very bad plan
[This plan](https://www.businesspost.ie/news/exclusive-eu-plans-to-tackle-energy-crisis-are-revealed/) is indeed radical. It punishes suppliers would can produce energy cheaply and efficiently by taking away their profits. It rewards suppliers using Russian gas by letting them sell for higher prices than everyone else. > All excess revenues above the cost of production would be taken by the state. It incentivises renewable energy suppliers to turn off their generators, which will worsen the problem. If a wind turbine (for example) is broken or is due maintenance, it will be cheaper to turn it off than to repair it. Building new turbines will be financially suicidal. What would make sense? Taxing profits or taxing income. This is not radical but it works well. *** They also want to reduce consumption during peak hours using some crazy voucher scheme. Instead, they need to charge different rates to consumers at different times of the day. This is so simple and un-radical it is already common in many places. *** They want to use the tax income to renumerate energy consumers (ie everybody). There is one simple and known way to do this, called UBI. The tax is re-distributed equally as a subsidy every resident. In fact, the most effective solution is to raise a tax on all electricity energy and gas consumption, per kJ used. (Ideally prices are also set depending on time of day.) This further inflates the price and drives unessential consumption sharply down. This tax revenue is redistributed as a UBI. So people who use very little electricity make a good income. But every extra unit you use is very expensive. You also need a way for consumers to measure the cost. For example website showing the price of boiling a kettle and of other common activities, in euros. The solution is exactly the same for businesses. *** The big advantage of the existing plan? Governments can choose the criteria for receiving grants and vouchers. So it can be selective, choosing (to some extent) who gets money. This power is the life-blood of politicians. It allows them to trade favours with businessmen. For example, > measuring the growth in energy costs as a proportion of revenues to trigger quailification for supports. So the ROI government is planning to subsidise only the thirstiest energy consumers, the same ones they already have a strong political relationship with. This is why the subsidies/vouchers/grants system is appealing to them. It allows them to look like they are solving the problem, while really setting up a scheme to trade influences with their political allies, and worsening the problem.

You have good taste. Please post more of your discoveries.


> the research would have sent “extremely” loud shock waves every 10 seconds, 24 hours a day for five months, potentially harming marine species and disrupting their routines.


Discussion about the future of food
In the future, sooner than most realise, fruit will become scarce. So will most vegetables and nuts. It's because there will be no wild pollinators on agricultural land due to overuse of chemicals. Cereals will be even more abundant than now. So will grass-fed meats. I see this as an upcoming crisis that is being neglected. How is man to survive? Will it be easier or harder to be vegan in the next few decades as agriculture goes through this revolution? *** BTW I'd rather put this sort of post in a debate-veganism type of forum. It could be curated over time into a kind of FAQ. Would someone knowledgeable be interested in starting one?

I’m not a Maoist. But it’s always interesting to learn new perspectives. What’s a dialectical contradiction?


That is a very shitty helmet. See how thin the plastic is, and how easily he smashes it. That yellow helmet provides zero protection from anything. That site should be closed down because of that video. If it’s not, there is a serious problem with the regulation in whatever territory this is.


For example you could only take away 50% of the extra pay

That’s basically what UBI does. It is the optimal solution to that problem.

why should all the other welfare Programms be only viable when you earn no money at all

I didn’t want to complicate the argument by talking about other welfare programs. But maybe I should. I’ll make an edit.





Yes but nobody will tell you your real salary. You have to calculate it yourself. Employers instead tell you your salary before tax, because it looks bigger.


My vision of UBI (continued)
**Section 9 - Practicalities** It would not be such a good idea to, in one day, change society so broadly. So there is a way to do it gradually and cautiously, in stages. Again, there are options: * UBI is just a recalculation of everyone's tax bills and dole payments. For most people their total income will stay about the same. So you can have a transition period where the money to be taken is a weighted average of the old and new calculations. For example: * Each year the dole drops by 50euro, and UBI increases (from 0) by 50euro. The new flat tax goes up (from 0) by 5% each year. After 4 years you have UBI. But at any point you can pause the rates, if there is a bigger economic shock than expected. * It could be done by region. UBI could be first implemented by a small regional government or council, then copied in others. But it might be legally difficult have a different tax system in just one region. It could create its own incentives for large numbers of people to migrate into/out of the region. * You can introduce full UBI for everyone on his 18th birthday. It will be complicated to avoid a drop in the state's tax-income but it can be managed. * You can introduce it by sector. Start with the least controversial and most beneficial. You can stop at any point. Step 1, extend the dole to all workers - this is the only important step. Step 2, to all students. If the benefits are great, you can keep going... Step 3 - all housewifes/husbands, etc. What about the artist/self-employed/etc group? Even immigrants? This way UBI doesn't have to be truly universal, so you can keep the benefits, and keep any unforseen problems under control. *** **Section 10 - Inflation** UBI will definitely cause inflation. The first consequence of destitute people becoming not-destitute is inflation. People who now are struggling to survive (many students for example) will be able to afford proper food, clothes, haircuts, etc. This creates a demand and in the short term allows businesses to increase prices. In the long term it causes the local economy to grow - more hairdressers, clothes shops and cafes will open. *** **Section 11 - Employment rates** It can be argued that UBI either increases or decreases total employment rates. In fact there have been many global trials showing both results. Generally they have not been properly implemented though, so it's hard to extrapolate the results to real UBI as described here. * People stuck in the welfare trap will be free to get jobs. But in general there is a shortage of jobs and a large surplus of job-seekers (although in highly-skilled jobs it's often the reverse). So this alone won't increase employment rates. Under UBI, everyone has an incentive to get a job, but nobody will be forced by regulation to fill in futile applications each week, or accept job offers they are not suitable for. All of the people who are not really able, available or motivated to work will stop applying. So life will become much easier for both employers and serious job applicants - both will immediately see greater prosperity. But this won't be visible in the headline employment rate. * Students, entrepeneurs, charity volunteers, many of the groups in section 3 - many will quit their day-jobs. This might cause wage-inflation in casual labour. Or maybe the people from the welfare-trap will immediately take all of these jobs. It's hard to predict. I think it's safe to say that the overall employment rate will not change much, but the employment landscape will change for the better. **Section 12 - Redistribution** In the example above, dole-earners and high-earners both pay about the same tax as before. The high earner pays slightly more tax - but he gets it back indirectly if he has adult dependents. But single high earners will lose income, and very low earners are getting much higher income than before. There are three ways to deal with this: * Do nothing - UBI has a slight wealth-redistributive effect * Lower the minimum wage to 200euro/week. This acts like a subsidy for employers. They save 50% on their payroll - it can an incentive to hire more. * Add a 50% tax on the first 200euro/week earnings. So the state gets some extra income. Options 2 and 3 mean that every type of worker has about the same income as before. But we have still achieved the goal of removing the welfare trap. It sounds unfair that low-earners must pay 50% tax - much more than high earners - but this is what they do today. Today, there is a hidden 50% tax on low earners. It is created by the interface between the welfare/tax systems. UBI (with option 3) just makes this explicit. **Section 13 - Real welfare trap examples** Of course legislators have thought the welfare trap before and tried to fix it. For example [here](https://danieljmitchell.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/welfare-trap.jpg) and [here](https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/download-remote-images/cdn2.spectator.co.uk/90489513330/Screen-Shot-2012-12-16-at-12.18.38.png) where your income stays nearly the same no matter how much you work, which is effectively a 100% tax on the lowest earners. This increases complexity but does not actually solve anything. It creates smaller welfare traps which the poor need to navigate, to avoid being pushed further into poverty. ([another example](https://medium.com/basic-income/if-we-can-afford-our-current-welfare-system-we-can-afford-basic-income-9ae9b5f186af)) **Section 14 (TBD) Balancing the budget** It would be useful to prove that UBI does not cost the government money, using calculations on real-world data. [extra money needed] = ([adult population] - [unemployed])*[dole payment] [extra money needed per employed] = [extra money needed] / [number of employed] [rate of the new flat income tax] = [extra money needed per employed] / [mean wage] ``` dole = 200 unemployed = 127.90*1000 extra_cost = (adult_population - unemployed) * dole employed = 2532.20*1000 mean_salary = 32381 / 52 population = employed * 100/65.20 cost_per_man = extra_cost / population rate = cost_per_man / mean_salary rate ``` The result is a 23% flat (non-progressive) tax. This is added to the existing taxes. So high earners pay a total of 63% marginal tax. This may sound high. Some say that too-high income taxes reduce total tax revenue and also economic productivity, because people have less incentive to work more and earn more money. Compare this to the existing situation, where low earners are effectively being charged more than 100% tax, which certainly leads to lower productivity and lower tax revenue, and is much worse. Also note that 63% is lower than [the usual estimate for the optimal tax rate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laffer_curve#Income_tax_rate_at_which_revenue_is_maximized). TBD: A plot would be useful, showing how an individual's income would change. X-axis is income before tax. Y-axis is income after tax. Traces: status-quo, single worker on UBI, worker with 3.1 dependents on UBI. **Section 15 - Other welfare programmes** The principle that is used here to design the optimum balanced tax/dole regime can and should be applied to others too. "What is available for free to some, should be available for free to all." To provide any thing to only the poorest creates a welfare trap, as well as bureaucracy, fraud, provision failures, etc. For example ambulance and fire services are provided to the rich as well as the poor. If they weren't the services for the poor might be neglected by government, resulting in disaster. Likewise, emergency housing, food and clothing provision must be available to all. Those who aren't immediately able to prove their need might be the ones in most desperate need. Subsidies for water and electricity and food must be for all, or else people whose circumstances improve might suddenly find they can't afford them. Child benefit and pensions must be given to people who don't need the money. The wealthy are the most entitled to it, since their taxes are already paying for their own subsidies, and subsidising other people's on top of that.

My vision of UBI
For a TLDR just read sections 2 and 3. *** **Section 1 - background** Most states pay the long-term unemployed some kind of income (AKA the dole). It's supposed to be just enough to survive. If you don't pay them it, you end up with high rates of sickness, malnutrition, etc which the state then has to deal with - so in the end it's much less expensive to pay the dole than not to. Note1. A regular payment is not the only option. It is just the conventional one. Other proposals such as guaranteed employment (building follies, moving the homeless to state-run farms), direct provision (eg food stamps, council housing, soup kitchens, communism), could be the subject of other proposals from other people. Note2. Other subsidies are normally provided alongside the dole, like housing and disability benefit, and like state pensions for the old and child benefit for the young. But for now assume they remain unchanged. Only the dole for working-age adults will be transformed in the following sections. *** **Section 2 - the welfare trap** When the unemployed get jobs, they stop receiving the dole. So when someone unemployed takes a job, he gains a new income but he loses another source of income. In ROI the minimum wage is 400€/week and the dole is 200€/week. So if you go off the dole and get a job you gain 400€ but you lose 200€, so effectively, your new income is being taxed at 50%. If you can only get a part time job for 20hours/week, you gain 200€ and you lose 200€, so you are working for nothing. On zero hours contracts the situation is even worse. So there is a strong financial incentive to stay on the dole. (On top of that, when you are at work, you need to pay for childcare, transport, lunches... And you don't have time to do the valuable things you spent your time on before - learning skills, maintaining your home, supporting your family, charity work or helping your neighbours.) Most people want to get jobs, just for self-respect or other social reasons. There are also many people who don't want to work, and maybe have good or bad reasons for that. Either way, right now people are incentivised to remain unemployed. They are punished for getting jobs by being pushed into financial precarity, and rewarded for staying on the dole. This is called the "welfare trap" - people literally cannot afford to get a job. This is the problem that UBI fixes. *** **Section 3 - UBI and workers** The solution is to just pay everybody the dole. For example here is how it applies to workers: The guy who gets a part time job on 200€ still receives his 200€ dole. The guy who makes 2000euro a week (100,000€/year) still gets paid an extra 200€. There's a catch of course. The income tax rates go up too. That's how the whole scheme is paid for. Imagine everybody pays an extra 20% tax with no income threshold: * The guy on the dole still gets 200€ * If he gets a part time job his income is 200+200x80%=360€ * If he gets a full time job it is 200+400*0.80=520€ * The guy getting 2000€/week - his net income changes by 200-2000*20%. He loses 200€/week. He is paying somebody else's UBI. In the end there is no financial burden on the state. It is all covered by the extra income tax. *** **Section 4 - UBI and other examples** [some of this section is just my personal opinion] So the dole is no longer conditional - on visiting on office every week, writing a certain number of job applications per week, the duration of unemployment, being "available for work" or anything else. This is many consequences but here are some big ones: * students - now they also get paid this "just enough to survive" cheque every week. No more need to also hold down a job, get into debt, or be malnourished for four years. * housewives - they have their own independent income. This means financial independence. * The artists and self-employed - they have a safety net of 200euro per week. It's expected that more people will become artists under UBI - more art will be created, because people will be more willing to take career breaks and see what happens, and struggling artists will be able to persist longer. * The between-jobs - People will have more fruitful careers, because they can afford to spend time unemployed, looking for the right new job. * Dole office workers. The dole offices can transform into job centres. They already pretend to have this function, but with UBI that will be their sole function. * Abused workers - now that people are guaranteed a living income if they resign from a job, they will be more willing to bargain for fair work conditions, report employers breaking the law, etc. For example many people will quit amazon warehouses, and amazon will have to improve working conditions or else face a huge problem. * immigrants - this is a special case. You might want to avoid incentivising immigration by, for example, excluding from UBI new immigrants who are not employed, for some time period. It's similar to what is done now with the dole. More on this later. *** **Section 5 - Fairness** So as seen above UBI can be an incentive to quit a job, as well as an incentive to quit the dole. But in both cases, it is a good thing. Ther are no known situations where UBI results in a worse outcome. Today there are separate taxation and benefits schemes. You can be a tax-payer or a beneficiary. People can be trapped in welfare or trapped in employment. UBI unifies the tax/benefits systems, so there is no barrier. People can move between employment and unemployment to improve their lives or escape bad situations. UBI just removes a problematic barrier. That's all it does. It is an improvement and simplification of two existing dysfunctional systems. An analogy is stamp duty. It creates a barrier to moving house, so it's more difficult to up-size when you're young, and it's also more difficult to down-size when you're old. Lots of people stay in houses much too big or too small just because of the expense of moving. It's a barrier to changing your living condition - in either direction - when you need to. And it's bad for the individual and also for society. There would be only good results if stamp duty were removed, and replaced by a fair tax (eg a property tax or land tax). *** **Section 6 - Families** This section is about the aforementioned guy above who earns 2000/week and is now losing 200 of that. He is paying mostly for students and housewives. But when he has a family, each of his dependents will be receiving a UBI, saving him money. He might not be so opposed to UBI when he sees the benefit of his student-children being financially independent of him. So UBI is costing him money now, but it will pay him back in the future at the time when his family has the most need of it. *** **Section 7 - The old and young** In general society comprises children, the working age, and pensioners. Child benefit is already just a UBI for children. It is a 35euro/week payment to support each child, regardless of income. It is a good example of a real-world UBI. There is no need to change it. Pensioners already have a somewhat fair system. It may need some reform but that is another day's work. For example the state pension can be replaced with a UBI for the old, as an optional second step. The issue now is a simple one - UBI for everyone of working-age. *** **Section 8 - The welfare system** All of the above benefits happen naturally. You get all these good effects, all across society ... not by creating a complex legal and institutional framework to consider each point and make it happen ... but by removing one. You get rid of the whole complex dole/benefits institution, and you create one universal tax levy and one universal payment. Then this whole societal transformation comes for free. This is why UBI proponents, some of them sound a bit naive, like they believe in an impossible dream. UBI sounds too good to be true. But the maths and the sociology are both sound. It's just a very good idea - so good it's hard to believe until you look closely. Proponents also mostly think the payment should be much higher than the dole is now, to have the effect of shifting income from the rich to the poor. But really that's a separate issue. You can do that just as easily today but shifting around the tax burdens, without introducing a UBI at all. [[continued](https://lemmy.ml/post/406934)]

The article many diverse claims. It’s a scattergun argument, where the author doesn’t have a single good point, so he make many weak ones. So I’ll just address the first point.

Calling for “Savings in health, justice, education and social welfare as well as the building of self-reliant, taxpaying citizen,” clearly means social cuts and privatization.

This is wrong. The savings are from lifting people out of poverty.

  • health: This is because the destitute save money by postponing medical care. In the long run they end up with much more expensive illnesses. This becomes a financial burden for the state. So it’s pragmatic to lift people out of poverty with UBI.

  • Justice: Reducing poverty is expected to reduce petty crime.

  • Education: I don’t know about this one. Maybe people predict a healthier job market so people don’t need so many qualifications to get a good career.

  • Social welfare: Because UBI increases employment by removing the welfare trap.

You might not agree with all of the above points. But they are all probable consequences of UBI people might reasonably expect. Saying it “clearly means social cuts and privatization” is shockingly stupid. The article was written by someone who doesn’t even understand the basics.

It don’t have time to refute everything in the article. But really, it is all bollox.


If working with live wires, do the whole thing standing on a wooden stool. You must have a thick insulator between you and ground. You will probably touch a live wire at some point, and the size of shock you get depends on how well insulated you are from the ground, walls, and other objects around you.

Don’t bother wrapping wires around you.

If you connect the live to the earth wire, you will blow the fuse, and probably destroy the wires too. Then you’ll have to rip out the plaster to lay new wires.

This is not difficult if you are careful, not tired, and have good common sense.

Wrap the live in electrical tape first. Only unwrap it for the few seconds where you are putting it into its connector. That’s the only step you need to do carefully.






Psychiatry’s Failure Crisis: Are You Moderately or Radically Enlightened?
Another post here got me reading this website. I think communists and vegans might find this "enlightenment" perspective especially interesting.

This is a straw-man argument. Nobody would ever (I hope) try to implement UBI that way. It would be a disaster.

But this is a general problem. Proponents and opponents of any thing, are usually talking about very different versions of the thing. If not, they have incompatible perspectives on the thing. I can explain more about this if you like - you really need to see examples to see why it’s important.

There aren’t really serious doubts about whether UBI would work, or what its effects are on society. But there are many misunderstandings about what UBI is.


I can axplain later about UBI if you like. But for now, what kind of revolution are you thinking of? What is the political goal of the anti-work people?



Why don't people selling houses accept payment in installments?
Today, they normally demand upfront payment, so the buyer has to borrow from a bank. These loans are extortionate. The buyer normally pays the bank back about double what he borrowed, over about 30 years. Instead, the buyer could offer to pay 50% extra on the cost of the house. But he will pay some of it in installments over 30 years. The bank gets nothing, and the buyer and sellers both make huge savings. It wouldn't be suitable for every sale, but it would for many. So why don't people do it? Is there some legal restriction where only the banks are allowed to do this kind of financing?



Democracy with negative votes
There are a few alternative voting systems to chose from, for how elections will work in democracies. Scoring seems to be the best one. But I haven't heard anybody discuss negative votes. f people could turn up just to vote against a candidate, or against all candidates, then a lie more people would turn up to vote. Additionally, very unpopular candidates would no longer win elections. Take Trump vs Clinton for a good example. Both were very unpopular. Many people were not really voting for one, but against the other. In a system with negative votes, both of them would have finished with negative totals. A third party candidate with the most broad support would have won. This shows how a system with negative votes could lead to a better (and more democratic) outcome. But is there a flaw or drawback? Why is this type of system not more favoured?