browsing through All has so much pro-fascist posts coming from lemmygrad that it drowns out all the other instances. I’m surprised they’re even federated by default but we should have an option to block instances from All if lemmy is deadset on federating with them just because they are fascists with a red and yellow flag…
(before the Tankies start posting about how they aren’t pro-fascism “Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy” which all describe the Z movement in Russia they gleefully support in multiple posts)
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I agree. It’s unnecessary and inflammatory to use a feature request to complain about a particular forum or group. It foreseeably led to a ton of derailment.
If they were requesting the admins to defederate, it would be inflammatory but at least relevant.
they even posted on lemmygrad to aggravate them! What is their game?
Im not calling communists fascists I’m saying the people supporting the Z army’s are supporting fascists. Just like id call christian friends who support their priest after theyve been caught raping children as supporting rapists.
I bet you support the antifascist azov battalion
Nothing stops you from running your own instance and federating with whatever instances you want from it.
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This is your brain on western propaganda.
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I’m not the one moaning about what servers Lemmy federates with here.
Actually some things are stopping that
There’s always reddit for people who guzzle western propaganda out of a firehose.
Typical extremist retort.
Muh centrism
Ah you do realize that’s not what centrism is
No extremism allowed! If you are currently being oppressed because you are, like, disabled or something, NO fighting against establishment! Only dying allowed!
You’re right, that’s not centrism. It is conservative.
Extremely good.
Never gonna happen
I say they’re the same ape in disguise
you’re back, interesting
Feds got new funds, guess war pays well
(before the Tankies start posting about how they aren’t pro-fascism “Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy” which all describe the Z movement in Russia they gleefully support in multiple posts)
This would also describe America.
So unless you want to ban all liberals and supporters of America (which would mean you) you need to tighten your funtionally useless definition of fascism. You should start by reading an actual book and learning the history of fascism.
When you misuse the word fascism to describe things that are not fascism you mis-educate huge wide swathes of people on what fascism actually is. In doing so you HELP actual fascists rehabilitate their ideology. You are helping fascists by calling something that is not fascism, fascism.
no one on any instance is cheering on anything the US does especially not its occupation or invasion of any country…
I’m not cheering it on either. Some elements of the left are, some aren’t. That’s ok. I can understand some of our younger marxist-leninists getting caught up in it. The vast majority of MLs are quite critical and reflect a position closer to Cuba’s official statement on the matter.
What I critically support is what brings the fastest end to the bloodshed of the people. That right now is a swift victory because clearly the west wants Ukraine to sacrifice the entire population in a war that it can not win, for the interests of the US. I would much prefer for negotiations to happen immediately and for things to stop right now but that clearly is impossible as the political opposition to the war within Ukraine has been entirely suppressed by the far right, all anti-war parties have been banned, and all tv channels that do not push a pro-war position have been closed. The only narrative that exists is the drums of war, and this makes it completely impossible to negotiate an end to the war.
weird that you think ukraine should just accept “swift victory” by the fascist Z army but dont think cuba should just accept “swift victory” by the US or Palestine by Israel etc…
none of the countries should accept “swift victory” by those invading and trying to commit genocide against them. You should unequivocally stand against imperialism but you dont because right now the ones invading wave a flag you like.
Genocide? GENOCIDE? REALLY?!
Do not equate the infighting and bickering of nationalist anglos to that of actual invasion or genocide.
trying to commit genocide against them
That’s not what is happening and only an idiot or a person that genuinely wants to help real fascists would say this, which is what I suspect you actually are but I will humour the bullshit anyway for the sake of whatever audience might come across this.
When you misuse words like fascism and genocide you help the people who are REAL fascists and performing REAL genocides by muddying the meaning of these terms in the understanding of the wider public. You harm opposition to real genocides.
Misuse of the term genocide is also acknowledged to be a form of soft holocaust denial. Calling something a genocide that does not actually reflect the very real horror of what genocides really are is extremely harmful to the real sufferers of genocide.
You should unequivocally stand against imperialism but you dont because right now the ones invading wave a flag you like.
Invading a country is not imperialism and this war was not started on imperialist grounds. Imperialism is an economic system, an elevated form of capitalism (the highest stage) in which finance-capital has evolved to such a point that it has seized control of the state and directs all of its actions. This war started due to longstanding security issues between nato and russia that could not (or would not) be resolved by either side coming to a head because Ukraine was the subject of a coup in 2014 that sparked a civil war that was ongoing for 8 years before Russia stepped in.
But this is all besides the point. I don’t give a fuck about the states involved. I care about the people. You are advocating for something that will kill many many tens or hundreds of thousands more people in order to defend a state. I already acknowledge that all of the states involved are bad, states are bad and states do bad things, that’s literally why I’m a communist and seek a world in which we can abolish states entirely.
I support whatever scenario brings about the lowest number of casualties to the people, whereas you support sacrificing the people to protect the state. You support this because it aligns with US interests. You genuinely do not give a fuck about the real human lives involved and the fact that you pretend to is quite frankly disgusting to me.
fascist Z army
honestly what is with the Z symbol? The only symbol I devote any time to is this one:
Lmao, that’s the funniest thing i read all day.
Not to mention you can do it. Click on settings, there will be a tab “blockades”. Write what you want and voila you won’t have to rack your brain ever again with concepts that make your imperialist programmed brain too uncomfortable.
I would recommend getting back to reddit though.
honestly, this is a leftist space, not one with people who source wikipedia for political opinions
Fascism is (…) which all describe the usa, which has oppressed most of us all our lives long. Anyone who works against the usa works against Fascism.
And this is why no one should trust anything the usa says. Or their media. Or their vassals’ media.
You are an even worse one than the others…
where did you come from?
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I would imagine it would work similarly to how blocking a community does, except it blocks all the communities from that instance. I feel like it would be excessive to block all the users as well, but that could be an option too. You could split it: have an option to block all communities from an instance and a separate option to block all users from an instance.
I want users to be able to block instances from all unless subscribed to.
Just go back to Reddit
Just go back to lemmygrad
Im a lemmy account bruv
The easiest solution for now is to join us at beehaw.org or our friends at sopuli.xyz. We block lemmygrad and put much care in moderation
Seems to me this is the whole point of having a decentralized platform. Instead of people moaning how they don’t agree with the way a particular instance is run, they can join another instance or run their own. This post is about @nxlemmy@lemmy.ml being upset that people see things differently from them, and trying to police that.
that is not a solution. the main mastodon instance didnt continue to federate with gab etc and tell people to change instances. because the default instance shouldn’t federate with pro-fascist instances. We shouldn’t federate with them by default and if lemmy.ml is deadset on federating with them because they hide their fascism under a communist flag users should atleast be able to block the instance
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look at how much lemmygrad defends and promotes fascism via supporting the Z army\war etc. it’s a pro-fascist and anti-anarchist instance that isn’t blocked and is taking over the all section with their pro-fascist propaganda.
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Westerners really need to learn what fascism actually is.
Did you read the post? Or any of my comments in the thread? They constantly support the Z army and their invasion of ukraine. The current government of Russia ticks every box in the definition of Fascism, outlaws being gay, decriminalized domestic abuse, and funds far-right and christian nationalist fascists around the world like the US did to Latin American countries dozens of times.
anti-anarchist
every principled communist can be anti-anarchist
We ban fascists, we are anti anarchist
Can’t block itself though
Ah yes, supporting the death of fascists and the extermination of their ideology from humanity makes me a fascist
how very smart of you!
One of the biggest, if not the biggest benefits of federation is that you can easily change administrators while staying on the same network.
Only Gargron wants to run a flagship instance. Lemmy devs have made it very clear their instance has certain specific purposes and that they don’t intend it to be the main instance. I’m just wondering if we should remove the invite-request friction for a little while in Beehaw and Sopuli to take the weight off of lemmy.ml and so that the admins there can keep federating with Lemmygrad if they really wish.
It would probably be best to recreate some of the communities made in lemmy.ml elsewhere and actually contribute there. I really think your best bet is to just contribute elsewhere.
It’s not a default instance and comparing a communist site like lemmygrad to a site utterly dominated by actual fascists like gab is the stupidest thing I’ve seen this week.
Currently there’s this message coming from admins that lemmy.ml is no longer flagship instance.
I totally support blocking instances but while this feature is unavailable, we can help build new flagship instance.
I’m sorry if I sounded too rush, it is indeed not a solution, just a workaround for current situation.
Anyways, thank you for raising important questions, cheers
This is the solution. If you are wanting to block a whole swathe of content youre on the wrong instance.
Actually that is the solution. lemmy.ml won’t block lemmygrad because the same people are behind both so the two instances are together. Even if you block lemmygrad there are users who know it’s blocked and so they make accounts on lrmmy.ml where they know they’ll have a larger audience and also sympathetic admins will back them up. Here you can’t tell the truth about any communist government past or present.
Lemmy was designed to be federated. Federation is the main solution to these types of problems. Nobody needs to feel like they have to use lemmy.ml
However I also agree with your feature request. It would be useful.
Here you can’t tell the truth about any communist government past or present.
we are telling the truth about them, you just spout propaganda
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147 (now 148) comments on this crap. Why is it we can’t seem to get a liveley discussion like this but on a topic that isn’t some crybaby infighting?
Really feels like some reactionary bait that lemmygrad users are swallowing whole.
Really feels like some reactionary bait that lemmygrad users are swalling whole.
I think so too, but the alternative would be to let their message stand. What do you suggest otherwise?
Ban their instance? :P
But seriously how about just dont take the bait
bahhhhhhhh fine I won’t comment here anymore
Yes please! I have nothing against Lemmygrad, but I also don’t want them to overwhelm everything else from my All feed. Please let us block entire instances, not just communities.
The easiest solution for now is to join us at beehaw.org or our friends at sopuli.xyz or midwest.social. We block lemmygrad and put much care in moderation
as If we aren’t on there from the beginning
I think the point is that this shouldn’t be necessary. Individual users should be able to filter out entire instances without having to jump to an entirely new account.
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I support this feature. But Wikipedia is not an authority on what fascism is. The dictionary attempts to describe the usage of a word in this case as it relates to an objective phenomenon. Before we can attempt this description, an understanding of the objective phenomenon must be had. We can rely on definitions for understood phenomena like water, jogging, or birds. But what exactly fascism is is a hotly debated topic, not a well understood phenomenon that we hold absolute knowledge and certainty of. Even your dictionary source admits it is a characterization of fascism, not exactly a definition.
A conservative will reason discursively that Hitler was a leftist, because the Left can be defined as more government, so Fascism is far left. In the same way, that buzzfeed employee could argue their own view of what misogyny is. To them, when a man spreads their legs in public, this is the sexist act of manspreading.
What these people (and you) are doing is taking a word that has a strongly negative connotation, arguing for an expanded categorization of this word in an attempt to rub off that connotation on something else. But all this succeeds in doing is devaluing said word.
Fascism has a negative connotation because its consequence was the death of 60-100 million people. That has nothing to do with Bernie supporters wanting to give people free healthcare. The “more government” connection (what even does ‘more government’ mean?) has to be proven more than circumstantial. Likewise, sexism has a negative connotation because of rape, women in the past not having basic rights like the right to vote, etc. But a man letting his balls get some air has nothing to do with that, even if people find it a little rude.
They have algebraically replaced a world phenomenon with a term, much like a mathematician replaces a quantity with the letter ‘X’ on paper. Then they have discursively reasoned using the term, not the phenomenon. You can find the length of a square’s side from the root of the area. We have a square that is 4 cm2. So what is √4? Math tells us that it is ±2. So a square in real life can have a negative length? This is the lunacy that you will accept with analytical reasoning if you do not understand its premises.
So instead of lazily giving us a definition full of nebulous terms, why not prove to me that any similarities between modern Russia and the Fascist countries are more than circumstantial? What is the unity behind these particular examples? All states are militaristic. All states suppress real opposition. Authoritarianism is no realer than the boogeyman. Russia does not have a “strong regimentation of society” so you’re just flat out wrong there.
someone downvoted your post before there was even time to read it lol
lmao
Libs gonna lib
All states are militaristic. All states suppress real opposition. Authoritarianism is no realer than the boogeyman. Russia does not have a “strong regimentation of society” so you’re just flat out wrong there.
What? Are you saying authoritarianism is not a real thing?
That is correct
Please explain
https://psychology.fandom.com/wiki/Authoritarianism
Random link but seems to explain it well.
That is a psychology wiki article about authoritarian personality, not about authoritarianism.
What most people mean by authoritarianism is a form of government. You are an anarchist right? You would agree the state is just the way the ruling class asserts its position, and that all states have this monopoly of the legitimate use of violence. If that’s what a state is, how can one state have more of a monopoly than another? A monopoly is a monopoly. However you see it, the class in power rules absolutely. No state is more authoritarian or libertarian than any other.
you think china is fascist, opinion ignored
When did I say that?
sorry, must have been someone very similar
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tech/privacy is political. if you don’t understand that you’re probably too privileged to notice or care.
You are correct and something doesn’t add up
Imagine, lemmy.ml claims to be about privacy but supports the PRC, which is like the most anti-privacy organization on the planet.
No, that would be the NSA
They’re #2
No. Google, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft, …
So the NSA AND a bunch of corps are spying on us? Thats obviously less worse than just the state monitoring your com’s.
Seems much worse to me since the corps don’t just give your data to the government, theysell it en masse for advertising purposes.
That’s all tied under US surveillance. The PRC has its social media operations and tech companies too. Basically everything you hate about the USA, they are doing it too
They are not flying over half the globe to murder people there. They do not murder the poor. They do not create neonazis. They do not exempt the rich from laws. They do not let people die from covid. They do not force people to have a car. They have a no first strike nuclear policy. They do not have school shootings. They do not have police that protects school shooters. They do not have hollywood. They do not have melon husk. They do not have a history of genociding a whole continent. They banned bitcoin mining. They did not create facebook. They do not have 100s of military bases. They did not privatize their space sector.
This is not entirely accurate, but you are right that they haven’t developed to that stage yet of invading countries on the other side of the world, but if the power level gets high enough that’s exactly what will happen. USA was also where China is at now and it took a while to get to that point. China has its own version of some of the things you mentioned, and some other things that are not pleasant. Your optimism that China will be a better hegemon than past ones in history is sadly naive.
which is like the most anti-privacy organization on the planet.
China passed new data privacy laws that are as strong as Europe’s GDPR at the end of last year, when is the last time America improved data privacy instead of harming it? Their data protection is much much stronger than America’s and much like europe they dump fines in the millions on companies that break it now. It’s arguably stronger than europe.
I don’t see how that stops the state’s mass surveillance programs
The US government has backdoors into every single US-based tech platform (which is basically all of them) and you’re concerned about China doing mass surveillance?
You are under mass surveillance. Five Eyes and other intelligence sharing alliances are a means of circumventing national privacy laws, the US has Britain do mass surveillance on US citizens and then that data is shared to the NSA and stored, the US does mass surveillance on British, NZ, Aus citizens and then that data is shared to them and stored by their intelligence services. The collective west has the largest and most comprehensive global mass surveillance apparatus in the world and yet you’re utterly obsessed with China. Why? Five Eyes, Nine Eyes and it’s now all the way up to Fourteen Eyes.
Take off the propaganda goggles and look at the immense proportions of the western apparatus first. You seem to be utterly blind to the fact everything you see about China is MASSIVE projection from the west who are 20-30 years ahead of China in terms of this apparatus.
And to answer your question, China’s law does not exempt the government. They require a warrant to access that data unlike in america and parts of europe.
Your whataboutism is pretty useless. China also uses its tech companies for spying. China’s mass surveillance program is larger and more ambitious. If anyone has been duped by propaganda it’s you.
“Whataboutism”. Bruh.
If you say something is bad you are INHERENTLY making a comparison to other things. You can not call one thing bad without benchmarking it against other things and gauging a comparison of a range of good to bad.
It is important to benchmark this because it highlights unexamined chauvinism, sinophobia and internal hypocrisy that you have. You have an extreme emotional reaction to anything Chinese and make the claim they’re horrific but you don’t actually compare the reality of the west with what China is. You claim they are the worst, you have done this multiple times in the thread, this is YOU making the comparison to others so OF COURSE I’m going to examine whether your comparison is remotely accurate.
I will end this interaction by pointing you to this list of US atrocities, managed by Dessalines himself.
Tell me again how China is the worst one here.
Do you spend this much time attacking America? Or the rest of the west? No you don’t. Despite the fact they are objectively and measurably worse. Because you’re a chauvinist that has never done one ounce of self crit or examined your own contradictions.
I’ve criticized America much more than I ever criticized China. You are hypocritically collecting lists of US crimes and not Chinese crimes. Hmm I wonder why you neglect that. Oh yes confirmation bias.
Anyway your assessment of me is baseless. Keep harping on that dumb claim that I hate China.
