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Gotta love Nicky Case, they drew me a sketch for helping them test Nothing to Hide. Their explorable explanation for trust is a favourite, along with Parable of the Polygons.


I shall escape to the one place that hasn’t been corrupted by social media…


oh no! anyway…

The irony of using a Top Gear quote is noted.

How long until USA starts parking like in Paris, bumper to bumper [YouTube].




That’s what I meant by it, putting salt on grass kills it (by burning it). I remember at high school some graduating students used salt to draw a penis on the grass area at the entrance.


Slurs don’t have to be successfully offensive to be slurs haha. I don’t care if someone calls me a commie pinko lefty, or anything worse for that matter. It’s about intent.


There’s some reasonable arguments if you’re against Abrahamic religions altogether, but you and I know these people in OP image are just anti-Jew conspiracy theorists trying to rationalize.


On the suggestion of another party member, if memory serves correctly. Pure marketing.


Absolutely stupid. They should have salted the greens and dug holes in it! Way more effective.


It really depends on how tightly or loosely we want civility to be enforced from above. Should we be removing all insults, or is that just too heavy-handed? That’s a big question, not one I have an answer to, but there are some communities that do say yes, using labels as an insult isn’t acceptable. I suspect lemmy.ml doesn’t want to be that strict, but somewhere like gtio.io that attempts serious discussion might see that boundary as constructive.


‘Brigading’ is when someone gets a group of foreign users to mass-downvote or mass comment on a post. You can confirm this definition with a web search (“brigading forum”). What you’re describing is just low effort insulting (which of course is bad and not really acceptable on lemmy.ml in my opinion)


It’s exactly like calling someone a commie. A dumb unconstructive slur. If you’re doing that on a site where liberals are expected to be rejected offensively, like lemmygrad or chapo or leftypol, then sure, but lemmy.ml isn’t one of those places.


Don’t forget to bring a towel! (Some places actually won’t let you in without one)


I block a couple of the highest activity communities from Lemmygrad to stop my front page becoming monotone low-effort junk.


That’s not to say that its impossible to be racist towards white people, it is possible, but there is no INSTITUTIONAL racism that disadvantages white people, and internalizes vast populations with negative stereotypes that end up causing discrimination.

That’s an excellent clarification, and I agree.


I think you’re overall correctt, I am being a bit particular and nitpicky I’ll admit, although Mastodon’s popularity (as well as a few alt-right instances of Fediverse softwares) has lead to many people using FOSS/Fediverse not because they value freedom in itself or know what FOSS even is, but they needed an alternative to the main platforms. Even lemmygrad’s influx of /r/GenZedong refugees has brought a mod of their GenZedong community advertising Discord groups.


I don’t think its fair to imply only FOSS enthusiasts and Linux users use Fediverse sites, but apart from that I agree. This is a niche within a male-dominated niche so while not a good sign, its also not too surprising.



It’s impressive how much labels can impact people’s perceptions, when they identify as ‘against liberals’ (when they value freedoms!) or as ‘left’ or as ‘right’. So I can see why the thread poster wants these more neutral synonyms.


If a city were designed around public transport, what would still require private motor vehicles?
I've limited the scope of this question to a dense city, although you're free to explore further if you want. Let's assume a country designs a new planned city, with an emphasis on avoiding private motor vehicles like cars and trucks. Would any tasks still require private motor vehicles, such as the moving of heavy goods? It's easy to look at current society and see 'well we'd need a truck to deliver furniture to office buildings, or moving products to stores', but will a planned city be able to avoid this?

An iceberg list compiled by /leftypol/. While a few of these are (true to the format,) sensationalist or tenuous, most are real events.
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Vote
Context: The Supreme Court of the USA made a very controversial decisions. Someone here proposes that the solution is to "Vote." Most obviously, as pointed out, the people making the decisions aren't subject to any effects of voting until they step down or die. At best, it only determines which party nominates a replacement when one dies. Secondly, appealing to the last 6 years makes no sense when the federal government has been ruled by BOTH the only two viable federal parties in that period. Vote for who? Biden? What was the alternative? Finally, percentage of population isn't how voting in USA works (both Bush (2000 election) and Trump lost the popular vote) and people often choose based on multiple policies and not just how they feel about abortion.
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Better
Don't worry, it's utterly abandoned.
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Suggestion: Have admins commandeer this community and add a useful sidebar
Additionally, the admins should determine a policy for commandeering abandoned communities. I know some websites have a policy where if no staff log in in [x] weeks, any user is allowed to request moderation. Maybe I should make another post about that. This in particular is an excellent example. The only staff member, [@Eli@lemmygrad.ml](https://lemmygrad.ml/u/Eli), made this community, made (and deleted) two posts, and apparently hasn't done anything else for 3 years. This is an important community to the site and deserves attention. As it stands, the sidebar is useless. It could explain the difference between Lemmygrad and the Lemmy software, link to better communities for contacting the devs for feature requests, give advice for people asking questions, link to relevant chatrooms if any, that kind of stuff. This preventative assistance helps prevent the place getting filled with useless, redundant or off-topic questions.


On the Necessity of lemmy.ml Branding Changes
I was looking at the Communities list, and noticing a few had no icon, I set out to design a few proposals, including a way to have different icons for Lemmy, Meta and Announcements. At that point I realized, lemmy.ml has no distinct logo. The admins have rightfully emphasized that lemmy.ml is not Lemmy, and shouldn't be considered 'The Official' instance. I think it's important to add some clear distinction to this instance. 1) The title Look at any page, top right. It says Lemmy, not lemmy.ml. Look at the page header. It says Lemmy, not lemmy.ml. It's understandable how some people might think this website is *the* Lemmy. Other instances change this, this one didn't. This is probably a simple change that can and should be done immediately. 2) The logo This change takes slightly more design and effort. Ideally we could mix the two defining aspects of this instance: 'leftist' and 'FOSS'. Leftist is easy, just make the lemmy a little bit pink/red. FOSS is harder to incorporate without ruining the logo, maybe a terminal underscore to the right of the lemmy, or give it some glasses to symbolize technology enthusiast culture.

Article: https://aesthetics.fandom.com/wiki/Laborwave > communism came from war Wait 'til you hear about [every country-wide ideology].

I would definitely recommend viewing some of the other videos on that channel, whichever titles take your interest.


An exploration of the Lemmys, for discussion
##### What is this post? A quick and dirty look into Lemmy instances, their size and interactions, and some insights. ##### Disclaimers * I AM NOT AN EXPERT OR WITNESS: I only started using Lemmy in March 2022. Lemmy was around for around 3 years before that. I am not a developer or instance owner. * I DID NOT GO AND TALK TO PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND THIS STUFF: This is just me exploring for fun and starting a conversation. This is not a proper study. Consider telling any one who links you to this page as if it's an expert historical account that I called them an idiot. * This is limited by my experience and my searching, it's not comprehensive. If someone made a dark instance, I probably won't find it. If there's some deep lore, I probably don't know it. Thanks to https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list for many of these stats. ##### Alright, Now for the casual rambling. Organic posting started on lemmy.ml from April 2019 so I will consider that the start of Lemmy as a service (my understanding is that lemmy.ml is the oldest non-dev instance) As of now (May 2022) AFAIK, the Lemmy-based sites with the most **total user comments** are: - hexbear.net (2.5M) - lemmy.ml (114K) - lemmygrad.ml (105K) - bakchodi.org (42K) - wolfballs.com (15K) - szmer.info (15K) - feddit.de (3K) - *[dev instances ignored]* - sopuli.xyz (1504) - lemmy.eus (1262) - lemmy.ca (974) The count of **users active in the last month** is similar: - hexbear.net (unlisted, [approx. 1.3K in the last 14 days](https://www.hexbear.net/post/195720)) - lemmygrad.ml (508) - lemmy.ml (474) - bakchodi.org (286) - szmer.info (65) - feddit.it (51) - sopuli.xyz (31) - wolfballs.com (29) - feddit.de (29) - lemmy.ca (17) My guess is that the difference at the bottom of the list is due to highly federated instances spreading their user comments over many instances with more activity, and also due to some instances peaking a few months ago and then declining. For those new to user statistics, you'll notice that popularity usually tends to be exponential: more popular things get more popular. ### What was that first one? Hexbear? Two of the sites listed there, Hexbear (aka. chapo.chat) and Bakchodi, do not federate. They are not part of the Fediverse, but they are using Lemmy. Hexbear is actually running their own *fork* of Lemmy. In that sense it reminds me of Gab, another huge island fork, but only due to size and isolation. While I can't find an admin statement, various Hexbear Gitea issues from 2020 and this comment from December 2021 ["We’re working on bringing Lemmy up to speed with some of the features our “fork” (it’s more of a rewrite) has. When that’s ready we’ll switch to that which will already have federation ready for us."](https://www.hexbear.net/post/163415/comment/2003658) and this from Feb 2022 ["The only issue is that [Hexbear] doesn’t support federation for semi-technical reasons (happy to explain), but that’s going to be fixed (later this year maybe)?"](https://www.hexbear.net/post/174049/comment/2150060) indicate Hexbear is open to the idea but unready ([this 2020 comment](https://www.hexbear.net/post/23488/comment/175031) even states they chose Lemmy precisely because of its federation goal), and Bakchodi appear to have just not set any up (the admin states "Federation is not functional as of now." in a post and nothing more). Contrast both against Gab who cited abuse/security issues and lack of local federation users for their voluntary removal of existing federation. Another point regarding Hexbear and Bakchodi is that they are continuations of existing popular communities: I believe that Hexbear is a continuation of reddit's banned subreddit /r/ChapoTrapHouse, and Bakchodi is a continuation of the banned /r/chodi (which I believe was banned around the same time as /r/GenZedong's quarantining caused a mass exodus to https://lemmygrad.ml/c/genzedong ). To the best of my knowledge, lemmy.ml, most of lemmygrad, wolfballs and szmer are new original sites rather than an existing active community migrating as a mass. ### Connections Most instances are connected into the Fediverse. Hexbear and Bakchodi appears to be the only active non-trivial instances that don't federate. Due to the political environment of the internet today and the content currently on Lemmy, I personally think it makes sense to classify the current federation networks of Lemmy instances into four loose groups: - socialist 'left': Primarily value socialism and/or anarchism, and related topics. Generally explicit about their instance's political alignment. The largest group. Examples are lemmy.ml, lemmygrad.ml, midwest.social, and would include hexbear.net if it were connected. - liberalist 'right': Primarily value freedom of speech and other liberty. While none yet are e~~xplicitly politically-biased through administration~~[[correction]](https://lemmy.ml/post/287918/comment/193438), they do overwhelmingly have users with views typical of the American 'right-wing' as an inevitable result of where they are promoted, the ideas only they tolerate and the existing posts. Examples are wolfballs.com and exploding-heads.com. - general open: Overall mainstream OR diverse political views, will generally tolerate political instances on both sides of the above divide. Often national instances or 'general-purpose'. mander.xyz is an overt example, gtio.io is also an example. lotide.fbxl.net would be an example, but it's a lotide instance rather than Lemmy. - anti-intolerant: Primarily value friendliness and inclusivity, and so will readily block instances that tolerate intolerance, such as those in the liberalist 'right' category and potentially those further in the socialist 'left' category. An example might be sopuli.xyz. These are all politically determined, as unlike Mastodon and Pleroma there don't tend to be any instances based around controversial single topics or around graphic content that causes instances to defederate. I thought there were more instances that blocked both sides of the 'left'/'right' divide, but they don't seem to exist yet (which is a good sign) beyond lemmy.rollenspiel.monster. It is also worth mentioning that lemmy.ml has blocked some instances due to abuse rather than any cultural disagreement. The first two of the four categories are by far the most popular, even if not the most numerous in instances, probably due to them picking up users being kicked out of reddit and reddit alternatives as they block more and more political subreddits or become unsavory. The earlier kicking of many 'harassment' subreddits from reddit around 2015 lead to many 'right-wing' users to populate Voat and then later bannings lead to communities.win becoming popular, which I believe explains why Lemmy doesn't yet have a strong influx of users who align politically with those banned subreddits and more-so with recently-banned communist subreddits (the core developers' political views and lemmy.ml's reputation may have impacted people moving to instances named after Lemmy or considering hosting new instances, but I suspect it wouldn't affect people who were invited to a place called Wolfballs). Interestingly, there is already a mirror instance that reposts from reddit: goldandblack.us.to ##### Growth [fediverse.observer](https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/stats) has some stats. Ignoring the huge outliers in the middle, there has been a jump in growth in the past two months which I would mostly attribute to the influx to [lemmygrad.ml wow look at that second graph](https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/lemmygrad.ml) and the launch of unfederated-but-included bakchodi. Apart from that, there has been a remarkably consistent growth in all the active instances. That's a good sign that this group of communities could last a while. ##### Some concluding thoughts, with regards to reddit As someone who hasn't really used reddit in many years, I like to promote the view of us being independent, growing our own culture, our own norms and not merely aiming to mirror the same shallow emptiness. The bottom line is, we grow a lot when reddit shuts a place down, and as you can see in some of those stats, growth creates more potential for growth. I think it's important to think about what habits we see now both here and there that we want to encourage, and which habits we don't. Think about what should each community tolerate and reject and enforce (and make no mistake, that answer differs depending on purpose and audience!) and how do we redirect people in the wrong places or teach those who are mistaken? (protip: typing these things out each time is very dumb! That's why we invented FAQ pages!) What struggles did Mastodon face as they started to grow more and more? Parts of reddit and similar groups will continue to arrive. Look at [this list of communities that used to be allowed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversial_Reddit_communities): it started off with the very blatant controversies like sexualizing minors, moved on to open blatant racism-focused places that conducted raids, and now they're at banning subreddits about a US (former) president and pro-China memes. Now that Lemmy has established itself as the home of some of the most recently banned communities, I personally think it's only a matter of time before reddit pops off a few more communities as they face pressure from media flak, investors or other major influences, and we should prepare for how to handle this: make potentially targeted communities aware that we exist before an incident, and make sure communities have a clear set of rules and guidelines written for the people that come in expecting this to be reddit again. I think this is an opportunity to fix the things we don't want repeated.


Lemmy users, what do YOU dislike about Musk?
For me, its the celebrityism taking credit for the work of others, the encouragement of worker abuse and the faux-philanthropist façade pretending to be a benevolent savior.
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What are some interesting/useful home automation and customization ideas?
Of course given that this is posted to lemmy.ml, I'm expecting a bias towards FOSS/etc. projects like Mycroft AI or towards DIY projects over Amazon and Google microphones and insecure IoT junk, but still list those other ideas regardless as the idea itself can be useful or even replicated with other tools. DIY and technical projects like self-hosted tools and scripts are more than welcome! I know this topic is in a myriad of clickbait articles but I would like a different perspective on it. And remember: don't act surprised when the haxxors own your lightbulbs!

Thoughts on 'Manufacturing Consent's interesting approach to conspiracy in its Propaganda Model?
Does anyone remember this famous viral video?: ["This is extremely dangerous to our democracy"](https://youtube.com/watch?v=_fHfgU8oMSo). A creepy montage of a wide range of local channels repeating the same message, reminiscent of *1984* and other dystopias. For those who haven't read it (just download free copies online),[ *Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent) by Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky (1988, with revisions) is a book which proposed a propaganda model explaining the trends and behaviors of the US mass media system, not just how they are influenced by government but even more how economic and social influences promote this behavior without overt coercion or state censorship. It uses a variety of major historical examples, and later editions preface with discussions of the increasing centralization/consolidation of media companies and their move to the internet. It's an excellent and influential book, and an Orwell Award winner. ##### But about *CONSPIRACY* A conspiracy is when participants have a secret *plan* or *agreement* to some harmful or illegal purpose[[wiki]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy), such as the [Business Plot (1933)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot) by various corporations and [COINTELPRO](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO) by the FBI. In *Manufacturing Consent*, the creators explicitly declare that their model does not rely on conspiratorial reasoning: that the propagandist patterns of mass media are all a result of an explicit conspiracy which all the major perpetrators are co-operating with. Instead, they argue that a variety of uncoordinated but systematic external factors create a pressure for media to encourage and discourage certain types of content. They define and justify five main 'filters' that determine the content we see: - **Size, ownership, and profit orientation of dominant media outlets**: they must cater to the financial interests of the owners such as corporations and controlling investors. - **Advertising**: almost all revenue needed for them to *survive* comes from advertising, so media must cater to advertiser's political and economic desires. - **Sourcing mass media news**: larger and more aligned media outlets get special access to many routine news sources like government announcements and large organizations in a mutual benefit situation. Other news sources are more expensive and risky to access by nature, and the large routine ones can arbitrarily exclude media publishers they don't like, especially those non-mainstream. This encourages mainstream media to seek those routine sources, creating a bias in what facts they receive. - **Flak**: legal, social or reputational harassment is expensive and damages advertising revenue. It is often conducted by powerful, private influence groups like think tanks. Even if not explicitly a conspiracy, they often still align incidentally. This threat to media outlets deters reporting certain facts or opinions - **National enemies**: during the Cold War, anti-communism created a social filter that not only affected communism, but rather anything considered remotely related such as socially-progressive policies, civil rights, and being opposed to the invasion in Vietnam, along with impacts on how news criticized Nicaragua's democratic elections while unanimously legitimizing El Salvador's extreme violent repression and corruption as democratic. After the fall of the USSR, this was replaced with the War on Terror as the major social control mechanism, affecting reporting on the recent conflicts in the Middle East. (more quick explanation and justification for those who haven't yet read the book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_model ) The point of that list being, the mass media organizations, government, think tanks and advertisers all have their own motivations and don't ***require*** a conspiracy or overt government coercion to cause the censorship and propaganda they create. They *individually* have agendas and abuse their power or profit or influence, but the model's creators argue that there is no need to blame a real conspiracy for this behavior. An interesting side effect is that these induce self-censorship and a bias in sources where the writers usually haven't been told not to write about something, it's simply not economically viable and discouraged independently by each large media outlet, leading to an unorganized but systematic system of propaganda that discourages criticism of the state and of major businesses. What are your thoughts on this? Do you believe it's justified to claim the mass media's biases largely aren't conspiratorial, or would you debate otherwise? Do you think this is comparable to the alt-right concept of "Deep State" or that DS theory implies the hidden shadow conspiracy that this denounces?

How vulnerable is the Fediverse to the Embrace, Extend, Extinguish strategy, and what can be done to counter it?
Related question: ["Can the Fediverse fall to ruling class / corporate control?"](https://lemmy.ml/post/245772) For those who don't know about EEE, I highly recommend reading at least [the Wikipedia article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish), which includes many examples of Microsoft intentionally trying to do it to open standards like CSS and Java. As an open standard with [relatively few developers](https://lemmy.ml/post/245772/comment/169002), most part-time/casual, spread over many applications, ActivityPub seems like an inevitable target once as it continues to grow. Take a hypothetical example where Elon Musk owning Twitter continues to cause a sustained rush to Mastodon, causing one of Google/Microsoft/Facebook/Twitter to use their large amount of organized resources to clone Mastodon's software, rebrand it, fix the most popular issues in the to-do list, make the server more efficient to host, allow bridging to Twitter (if it's Twitter making it), host it on their fast infrastructure, hire professional moderators and add many of the denied feature requests for making it more Twitter-like. With those companies' capital and established tech teams, most or all of those can be done rapidly. So, I predict if they did, many users and even some hosts would be encouraged to use this extended 'better' software or it may even be advertised and popularized as the simplest, easiest and fastest option, centralizing the bulk of ActivityPub users. They can then use this dominant position to extend ActivityPub in various ways, making various competitors incompatible and increasingly unable to federate. Extend beyond Fediverse competitors' reach, and extinguish them by excluding them from a gradually closing garden filled with activity and popular content producers. Sure, it won't affect the more passionate 'early adopters' here as much who are more than merely annoyed by centralized services, but it's an issue that could potentially prevent these alternatives from gaining a popular audience among the more mainstream crowd who would enjoy the benefits provided it didn't require much sacrifice. An interesting (even if not truly qualifying) example is Gab, a Mastodon fork aimed at an alt-right audience. I recall on Fediverse stats sites, there were a few tiny pods of Gab instances and a small but real network of federating Pleroma and Mastodon instances. I found a comment made over a year ago saying *"Gab ripped their federation code a while ago. Also, when they were federating, they never cared much about properly federating. They used federation as an argument to switching platforms but they didn't care about it."* and some users on a Pleroma instance that formerly federated with Gab was mocking them as recent as one hour ago as *"quit[ting] the fedi because they were getting made fun of [by actual free speech platform users]"*. Gab seemingly embraced the concept, unintentionally, of Embrace and Extend and then privatizing, although with (I assert) no intent nor capacity to extinguish. But what if they did have that intent, either financially or politically? What if they were a *purely* profit-driven project that saw the Fedis as a threat? ##### How can these projects counter EEE? I don't think outpacing is a feasible approach, due to constraints that these non-profit, anti-exploitative projects are bound by. *note: This does work both ways, to a degree, in that for-profit projects will need to have annoying things like ads or dodgy manipulative practices to survive unless they want to run at a significant loss, as an investment. I'm not sure how much most people care about those normalized annoyances, so I don't think that should be relied on. FOSS projects aren't well-known for being successful in the mainstream through their purity and ideals.* Boycotting and ostracization (like, to generalize, Mastodon with Gab, then Gab with Pleroma) might be effective so long as they don't gain an independent dominance through bringing more external users and continuing to dilute the values of the Fediverse. But if their new platform becomes more productive and fun then the Fediverse, then the Fediverse will remain only a niche. I don't have faith in a legal solution, but that is my naïve view, I don't know enough about anti-competitive laws, especially internationally. I'm interested to hear what approaches there might be to what I see as a potential and increasingly imminent threat. Links to existing conversations are welcome too: no need to invent the wheel for me ;)

What are some examples of alliances/unions/etc. of Fediverse instances?
What are some examples of grouping in the Fediverse? This question is in response to a post asking about how to stop corporate dominance in the Fediverse, but unrelated examples are more than welcome. One example is a (defunct?) alliance between 3 national Peertube instances where they agreed to backup each others databases and have similar moderation rules. It would be interesting to see if there's any agreements between instances to block certain instances, like corporate-run (pawoo) or alt-tech (gab) beyond merely using a shared blocklist.

[meta] Is five stickied posts too many?
I definitely see the merit in having two or three, since this is a major landing spot of reddit refugees who would benefit from an introduction such as both the 2nd and 3rd posts, but the 4th is not really helpful despite being funny, apart from those chat links which should be in the sidebar rather than a random post, and the 5th is literally empty, even if polite.
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Technically, I think there are an infinite amount of correct answers.