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  • DessalinesA
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    4 years ago

    Strong moderation abilities, and instance admins like ourselves who actually ban white supremacist communities and not sit on their hands about hosting the largest one on the internet, for years.

    edit: like just today, we had a few TERF communities try to set up here. It took us less than a day to ban them. Its not difficult.

    • @dizzyOP
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      254 years ago

      That’s good to hear, I’ve got very little idea of how the fediverse works nor how moderation works on these types of sites so thanks for clarifying. I had a look to see if c/the_donald existed and although it seems to, I could see the following:

      Make America Great Again removed by mod

      No Posts.

      Does that mean the community has been removed by a mod then or something else?

      • @nutomicA
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        294 years ago

        That’s exactly what it means.

        • @dizzyOP
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          So with the way Lemmy currently works, could someone create a community, write some hate speech in the community description and that description stays up forever?

          E: Apologies if it would have been more appropriate to ask this question in c/lemmy_support

          • Maya
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            134 years ago

            I’m just gonna guess here, but I’m pretty sure there are manual steps an instance admin can take to nerf that stuff in the database

            • @PorkrollPosadist
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              Additionally, there is a plan to implement a purge feature for particularly egregious posts, but as long as these communities are not allowed to spread their roots here, there shouldn’t be much of an issue. Seeing fascists and bigots getting whacked in the mod log doesn’t bother me much at all.

              There’s nothing stopping them from setting up their own instances (like Gab did with Mastodon), but they will be ostracized from the fediverse.

      • @Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works
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        39 months ago

        Shitjustworks just voted to delist exploding heads from their instance. Beehaw is not federated with two of the largest (lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works) because they are worried about bots.

    • Atemu
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      174 years ago

      That should probably be in the README/FAQ.
      From what I could gather in the recent Reddit thread, Lemmy becoming yet another Reddit clone that turns into a Nazi bastion is a common concern driving people away from giving the platform a chance.

    • @abbenm
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      84 years ago

      I think this is the perfect response, and part of my optimism about lemmy. I hope that this view of moderating is hard-coded (so to speak) into the DNA of lemmy, and I think it’s just as important to have a strong ethos like this as it is to have a well-designed link-aggregating tool.

    • @Jassu
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      54 years ago

      How does this work with upcoming federation features and de-centralised nature of the lemmy platform?

      • DessalinesA
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        124 years ago

        A community is still ultimately controlled by the instance where it lives, along with those admins and mods.

        • @AI_WAIFU
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          • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
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            The reality is that they can already do that with plenty of existing services. Lemmy isn’t providing a new an unique opportunity for nazis to communicate that wasn’t available to them previously.

            That said, the moderation and federation rules do appear to work in practice as seen with Mastodon where similar concerns have been raised. The one nazi instance is its own bubble, and nobody federates with it.

          • @diorama
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            94 years ago
            related: isolated gab

            A few weeks ago you could find Gab (neo-nazi/white supremacist leaning instance) at the top of this list about most of the instances in the fediverse. Gab was a huge instance: ~1mln accounts, i.e. ~2x the number of accounts of Mastodon flagship instance. (numbers were inflated btw)
            Why did Gab leave the fediverse? Because the rest of the fediverse campaigned to de-federate a neo-nazi/white supremacist instance. At the end of its story in the fediverse, Gab had an estimated insularity of 99.3% (source): that means 7 messages out of 1000 were directed outside that instance. The estimation is an upper limit, including outwards messages that actually cannot reach other instances (since these instances suspended Gab).
            Now, according to the source above, Gab devs are discussing to drop the support for the fediverse. In the meantime, it is an insular instance.

    • @jscummy@sh.itjust.works
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      59 months ago

      Gotta say, Lemmy is both way more active and way better curated so far then other Voat or any of the other Reddit clones

  • @sneakyninjapants@sh.itjust.works
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    Assuming they’re generally on the same instance ::cough EH cough:: others can just defederate if they want. Those that are harassing and spreading hate speech on mixed servers can be blocked, banned from communities, or the instance in question if egregious enough.

    Edit: Am I resurrecting a 3 year old post rn?

    • @dizzyOP
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      139 months ago

      You are indeed resurrecting a 3 year old post haha!

      Glad to see so many of you here now though!

      • BlueÆther
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        19 months ago

        How has the last 3 years been?

        Did you find your forever home?

        • @dizzyOP
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          19 months ago

          It was super quiet and there were no decent iOS apps until the last couple of weeks. I kept checking back every now and again but didn’t really interact much.

          It’s a much better experience with you all here and I’m having a great time using Memmy on iOS!

  • Maya
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    204 years ago

    A code of conduct!

    More seriously I think Mastodon’s general rejection of Gab taught us that federated software can have an immune system in the form of instance admins/mods blocking federation.

    • @diorama
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      14 years ago

      Yes but caveat: code of conduct is not enough. [note] The point is the community (adminx being part of that) is ready to prompt rejections of harmful content. This can only be done with awareness, education, communication, etc..

      [note] In principle, it may even be irrelevant for lil’ instances where everybody knows each other… but it helps.

      • Maya
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        44 years ago

        agreed, though I think it’s good to emphasize that individuals who don’t align with an instance’s content boundaries can go find another instance.

  • justhach
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    179 months ago

    There are way more of us than there are of them. Let them scream impotently into the void and hear nothing come back.

    Sure, maybe they will rally some numbers and try ti make noise, but ultimately they will just get bored and move on as things aren’t as monolithic here in the fediverse as they are on Reddit/Facebook/Twitter/etc.

  • @Mehran
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    114 years ago

    The main thing preventing that is capturing of initial user base.

    The next part is finding a person who has some understanding psychology and know what a healthy community looks like to moderate.

    Something like a code of conduct is typically the correct way of doing things. Neither is strong moderation abilities, since almost all moderators are influenced by other users and their own opinions.

  • RaidonChrome
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    94 years ago

    Me. See, Voat ended up like it did because of the blatant bias of banning. I hope Lemmy would get all kinds of people here to stay, not just one political leaning or subset. The federation sure looks like a good solution for this, since one can simply ban a whole instance they don’t like and be done. As long as we all have an interest in Lemmy it should’t become an echo chamber.

      • @Aeolun
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        14 years ago

        Facists are people too!

        Just bad people.

  • @drhead
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    74 years ago

    Well the first thing preventing it is that they already implemented their contingency plan months ago and the subreddit has had submissions restricted for three months already while people were shuffled off to their new dedicated site, so the ban was a purely symbolic gesture on Reddit’s part anyways.

  • @Decibel
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    34 years ago

    Is the ‘federated’ nature of Lemmy specifically setup to allow a “Lemmy/The_Donald”? If you don’t want to see it, just remove that federation?

    • DessalinesA
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      74 years ago

      Blocklists already work in our federation testing instances.

  • nick
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    29 months ago

    Defederation. Just don’t join or federate with instances that allow hateful communities to thrive and it will be fine.

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    • @dizzyOP
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      134 years ago

      From my comment that was posted clearly for you to see before you kindly informed me of what I know and don’t know:

      I’ve got very little idea of how the fediverse works nor how moderation works on these types of sites