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Strong moderation abilities, and instance admins like ourselves who actually ban white supremacist communities and not sit on their hands about hosting the largest one on the internet, for years.
edit: like just today, we had a few TERF communities try to set up here. It took us less than a day to ban them. Its not difficult.
That’s good to hear, I’ve got very little idea of how the fediverse works nor how moderation works on these types of sites so thanks for clarifying. I had a look to see if c/the_donald existed and although it seems to, I could see the following:
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No Posts.
Does that mean the community has been removed by a mod then or something else?
That’s exactly what it means.
So with the way Lemmy currently works, could someone create a community, write some hate speech in the community description and that description stays up forever?
E: Apologies if it would have been more appropriate to ask this question in c/lemmy_support
I’m just gonna guess here, but I’m pretty sure there are manual steps an instance admin can take to nerf that stuff in the database
Additionally, there is a plan to implement a purge feature for particularly egregious posts, but as long as these communities are not allowed to spread their roots here, there shouldn’t be much of an issue. Seeing fascists and bigots getting whacked in the mod log doesn’t bother me much at all.
There’s nothing stopping them from setting up their own instances (like Gab did with Mastodon), but they will be ostracized from the fediverse.
Shitjustworks just voted to delist exploding heads from their instance. Beehaw is not federated with two of the largest (lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works) because they are worried about bots.
That should probably be in the README/FAQ.
From what I could gather in the recent Reddit thread, Lemmy becoming yet another Reddit clone that turns into a Nazi bastion is a common concern driving people away from giving the platform a chance.I think this is the perfect response, and part of my optimism about lemmy. I hope that this view of moderating is hard-coded (so to speak) into the DNA of lemmy, and I think it’s just as important to have a strong ethos like this as it is to have a well-designed link-aggregating tool.
How does this work with upcoming federation features and de-centralised nature of the lemmy platform?
A community is still ultimately controlled by the instance where it lives, along with those admins and mods.
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The reality is that they can already do that with plenty of existing services. Lemmy isn’t providing a new an unique opportunity for nazis to communicate that wasn’t available to them previously.
That said, the moderation and federation rules do appear to work in practice as seen with Mastodon where similar concerns have been raised. The one nazi instance is its own bubble, and nobody federates with it.
related: isolated gab
A few weeks ago you could find Gab (neo-nazi/white supremacist leaning instance) at the top of this list about most of the instances in the fediverse. Gab was a huge instance: ~1mln accounts, i.e. ~2x the number of accounts of Mastodon flagship instance. (numbers were inflated btw)
Why did Gab leave the fediverse? Because the rest of the fediverse campaigned to de-federate a neo-nazi/white supremacist instance. At the end of its story in the fediverse, Gab had an estimated insularity of 99.3% (source): that means 7 messages out of 1000 were directed outside that instance. The estimation is an upper limit, including outwards messages that actually cannot reach other instances (since these instances suspended Gab).
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Gotta say, Lemmy is both way more active and way better curated so far then other Voat or any of the other Reddit clones
Because now regular people actually have a reason to leave.
Assuming they’re generally on the same instance ::cough EH cough:: others can just defederate if they want. Those that are harassing and spreading hate speech on mixed servers can be blocked, banned from communities, or the instance in question if egregious enough.
Edit: Am I resurrecting a 3 year old post rn?
You are indeed resurrecting a 3 year old post haha!
Glad to see so many of you here now though!
How has the last 3 years been?
Did you find your forever home?
It was super quiet and there were no decent iOS apps until the last couple of weeks. I kept checking back every now and again but didn’t really interact much.
It’s a much better experience with you all here and I’m having a great time using Memmy on iOS!
Just happened on sh.itjust.works and we booted them https://sh.itjust.works/post/381489
Oh I’m well aware lol. I’m a sh.itjust.works user as well and have been seeing the controversy that sub brought about the last few days.
It’s suddenly relevant again lol
I really like that this is a thing here. ‘Active’ is a really functional sort method
the Hot sorting seems to be made of chewing gum and twigs, probably best to switch to top per day until they fix it.
A code of conduct!
More seriously I think Mastodon’s general rejection of Gab taught us that federated software can have an immune system in the form of instance admins/mods blocking federation.
Yes but caveat: code of conduct is not enough. [note] The point is the community (adminx being part of that) is ready to prompt rejections of harmful content. This can only be done with awareness, education, communication, etc..
[note] In principle, it may even be irrelevant for lil’ instances where everybody knows each other… but it helps.
agreed, though I think it’s good to emphasize that individuals who don’t align with an instance’s content boundaries can go find another instance.
There are way more of us than there are of them. Let them scream impotently into the void and hear nothing come back.
Sure, maybe they will rally some numbers and try ti make noise, but ultimately they will just get bored and move on as things aren’t as monolithic here in the fediverse as they are on Reddit/Facebook/Twitter/etc.
I sure hope you’re right.
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Meaning different communities can set up their own Lemmy servers and they don’t necessarily have to be part of the same federated network, in case there are unresolvable conflicts.
The main thing preventing that is capturing of initial user base.
The next part is finding a person who has some understanding psychology and know what a healthy community looks like to moderate.
Something like a code of conduct is typically the correct way of doing things. Neither is strong moderation abilities, since almost all moderators are influenced by other users and their own opinions.
Me. See, Voat ended up like it did because of the blatant bias of banning. I hope Lemmy would get all kinds of people here to stay, not just one political leaning or subset. The federation sure looks like a good solution for this, since one can simply ban a whole instance they don’t like and be done. As long as we all have an interest in Lemmy it should’t become an echo chamber.
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Facists are people too!
Just bad people.
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Sure, let them. We can defederate if necessary. It’s the system working.
Well the first thing preventing it is that they already implemented their contingency plan months ago and the subreddit has had submissions restricted for three months already while people were shuffled off to their new dedicated site, so the ban was a purely symbolic gesture on Reddit’s part anyways.
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Is the ‘federated’ nature of Lemmy specifically setup to allow a “Lemmy/The_Donald”? If you don’t want to see it, just remove that federation?
Blocklists already work in our federation testing instances.
Defederation. Just don’t join or federate with instances that allow hateful communities to thrive and it will be fine.
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From my comment that was posted clearly for you to see before you kindly informed me of what I know and don’t know:
I’ve got very little idea of how the fediverse works nor how moderation works on these types of sites
