Strong moderation abilities, and instance admins like ourselves who actually ban white supremacist communities and not sit on their hands about hosting the largest one on the internet, for years.
edit: like just today, we had a few TERF communities try to set up here. It took us less than a day to ban them. Its not difficult.
That’s good to hear, I’ve got very little idea of how the fediverse works nor how moderation works on these types of sites so thanks for clarifying. I had a look to see if c/the_donald existed and although it seems to, I could see the following:
Make America Great Again removed by mod
No Posts.
Does that mean the community has been removed by a mod then or something else?
So with the way Lemmy currently works, could someone create a community, write some hate speech in the community description and that description stays up forever?
E: Apologies if it would have been more appropriate to ask this question in c/lemmy_support
Additionally, there is a plan to implement a purge feature for particularly egregious posts, but as long as these communities are not allowed to spread their roots here, there shouldn’t be much of an issue. Seeing fascists and bigots getting whacked in the mod log doesn’t bother me much at all.
There’s nothing stopping them from setting up their own instances (like Gab did with Mastodon), but they will be ostracized from the fediverse.
Shitjustworks just voted to delist exploding heads from their instance. Beehaw is not federated with two of the largest (lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works) because they are worried about bots.
That should probably be in the README/FAQ.
From what I could gather in the recent Reddit thread, Lemmy becoming yet another Reddit clone that turns into a Nazi bastion is a common concern driving people away from giving the platform a chance.
I think this is the perfect response, and part of my optimism about lemmy. I hope that this view of moderating is hard-coded (so to speak) into the DNA of lemmy, and I think it’s just as important to have a strong ethos like this as it is to have a well-designed link-aggregating tool.
The reality is that they can already do that with plenty of existing services. Lemmy isn’t providing a new an unique opportunity for nazis to communicate that wasn’t available to them previously.
That said, the moderation and federation rules do appear to work in practice as seen with Mastodon where similar concerns have been raised. The one nazi instance is its own bubble, and nobody federates with it.
A few weeks ago you could find Gab (neo-nazi/white supremacist leaning instance) at the top of this list about most of the instances in the fediverse. Gab was a huge instance: ~1mln accounts, i.e. ~2x the number of accounts of Mastodon flagship instance. (numbers were inflated btw)
Why did Gab leave the fediverse? Because the rest of the fediverse campaigned to de-federate a neo-nazi/white supremacist instance. At the end of its story in the fediverse, Gab had an estimated insularity of 99.3% (source): that means 7 messages out of 1000 were directed outside that instance. The estimation is an upper limit, including outwards messages that actually cannot reach other instances (since these instances suspended Gab).
Now, according to the source above, Gab devs are discussing to drop the support for the fediverse. In the meantime, it is an insular instance.
Strong moderation abilities, and instance admins like ourselves who actually ban white supremacist communities and not sit on their hands about hosting the largest one on the internet, for years.
edit: like just today, we had a few TERF communities try to set up here. It took us less than a day to ban them. Its not difficult.
That’s good to hear, I’ve got very little idea of how the fediverse works nor how moderation works on these types of sites so thanks for clarifying. I had a look to see if c/the_donald existed and although it seems to, I could see the following:
Does that mean the community has been removed by a mod then or something else?
That’s exactly what it means.
So with the way Lemmy currently works, could someone create a community, write some hate speech in the community description and that description stays up forever?
E: Apologies if it would have been more appropriate to ask this question in c/lemmy_support
I’m just gonna guess here, but I’m pretty sure there are manual steps an instance admin can take to nerf that stuff in the database
Additionally, there is a plan to implement a purge feature for particularly egregious posts, but as long as these communities are not allowed to spread their roots here, there shouldn’t be much of an issue. Seeing fascists and bigots getting whacked in the mod log doesn’t bother me much at all.
There’s nothing stopping them from setting up their own instances (like Gab did with Mastodon), but they will be ostracized from the fediverse.
Shitjustworks just voted to delist exploding heads from their instance. Beehaw is not federated with two of the largest (lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works) because they are worried about bots.
That should probably be in the README/FAQ.
From what I could gather in the recent Reddit thread, Lemmy becoming yet another Reddit clone that turns into a Nazi bastion is a common concern driving people away from giving the platform a chance.
I think this is the perfect response, and part of my optimism about lemmy. I hope that this view of moderating is hard-coded (so to speak) into the DNA of lemmy, and I think it’s just as important to have a strong ethos like this as it is to have a well-designed link-aggregating tool.
Gotta say, Lemmy is both way more active and way better curated so far then other Voat or any of the other Reddit clones
Because now regular people actually have a reason to leave.
How does this work with upcoming federation features and de-centralised nature of the lemmy platform?
A community is still ultimately controlled by the instance where it lives, along with those admins and mods.
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The reality is that they can already do that with plenty of existing services. Lemmy isn’t providing a new an unique opportunity for nazis to communicate that wasn’t available to them previously.
That said, the moderation and federation rules do appear to work in practice as seen with Mastodon where similar concerns have been raised. The one nazi instance is its own bubble, and nobody federates with it.
related: isolated gab
A few weeks ago you could find Gab (neo-nazi/white supremacist leaning instance) at the top of this list about most of the instances in the fediverse. Gab was a huge instance: ~1mln accounts, i.e. ~2x the number of accounts of Mastodon flagship instance. (numbers were inflated btw)
Why did Gab leave the fediverse? Because the rest of the fediverse campaigned to de-federate a neo-nazi/white supremacist instance. At the end of its story in the fediverse, Gab had an estimated insularity of 99.3% (source): that means 7 messages out of 1000 were directed outside that instance. The estimation is an upper limit, including outwards messages that actually cannot reach other instances (since these instances suspended Gab).
Now, according to the source above, Gab devs are discussing to drop the support for the fediverse. In the meantime, it is an insular instance.
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