A friend and I were having a debate. Can I hear someone else’s opinion about this?
And please give me an explanation. If yes, why? If no, why?
Thanks in advance 👍🏼
Yes, stealing a bit of food is inconsequential compared to a life of human being
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Yes your boss stole from you every pay check. https://economicleft.com/2021/07/19/pizza-workers-earned-78-an-hour-when-boss-paid-days-profits-rather-than-keep-it-all-for-himself/
If someone needs to steal food to feed their children, it’s not a fault of them. It’s a symptom of society’s failure.
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It depends of who you’re stealing from. Another individual? No. But thankfully now we have big food distribution chains, that have impressive percentages of produce already accounted to be wasted at some point, so please take what you need in the supermarket.
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I look at most thieves with sympathy rather than contempt.
Other than thieves like Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk, of course. I’m talking about the kind police tend to kill on a power trip.
yes, death to capitalism
I don’t think I can answer this with yes or no. Firstly, stealing for necessity is different from stealing for greed, no question for me there. However…are all other options exhausted? Who are you stealing from? These things matter.
For me, stealing food from a corporate grocer because you have no other options should be forgiven. It also, ideally, shouldn’t be necessary (unfortunately I know this isn’t always true).
Stealing is fine no matter what, as long it’s not from another worker
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I wouldn’t call the act of taking food when you are hungry and can’t afford it as a “necessary evil”. Mostly because of the “evil” part. Isn’t the core problem that there is someone who is in a position where they are desperate regarding their child’s need to eat?
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In my opinion it is pointless and somewhat wrong to discuss permission when there is hunger. I think there are various ways to look at this:
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If someone faces the choice between punishment for stealing and hunger for not stealing, punishment cannot be used as a deterrent. Because the person is in a bad situation regardless.
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If someone who is hungry steals from someone else who is hungry, I feel likewise, there is little point in laying blame, since the situation is extreme and either way not resolved positively (i.e. whether the stealing happens or not).
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If the hunger situation is caused (actively or by omission) by others, society or some process, I do feel very strongly that this cause would have to take the blame for both hunger as well as any resulting crimes, damages or unmoral outcomes. For instance, that dumpster diving is illegal would be a highly unmoral law from that perspective.
Hunger is an extreme situation and while this would not justify everything, anyone not in that situation should from my POV have the understanding, pragmatism and compassion to address the underlying cause (i.e. hunger), not the consequent outcome (say someone stealing because they are hungry).
Lastly, there should be some historic view to this question. It was not uncommon historically, that causing extreme economic poverty was used as a justification for punishment which further deteriorated the conditions of the poor. I feel that blame must be laid on the architects of that condition. More openly this question touches on whether economic sanctions are moral.
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Stealing per se is never OK, but acceptable under certain circumstances, of which many have already been mentioned here. In this particular case, foodwaste is another factor, making it a bigger crime not to give away surplus food for free & making people feel guilty of “stealing” it when they can’t afford it. Nobody should have to starve in a society where food lands on a dumpster every single day.
Getting into the situation where you need to steel to eatcis vary rare, but happens. Then it is acceptable to take only what makes you survive.
Not that rare, I can assure you.
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