Greetings,
I always had a problem with a site called reddit,yes lemmy is not reddit,and yesterday I have been permanently banned from it.Mostly
there are two reasons: anti-migrant statements, and speaking
against LGBTQ .I don’t want to do self-censorship.So is this site for me or should I find another one ?
try making friends with some migrants and some queer people (there are lots of both on Lemmy) - I’d bet everything that your dehumanising views will change, and you won’t have to worry about “self censorship” to participate here
I got permanently banned from Reddit after being on for 10 years for suggesting that rapists be castrated. They are going way too far. That being said, you’re probably going to get a lot of pushback from your views on here.
Hello, just before you get appalled by the nonchalant attitude of some of the users (and I honestly wouldn’t blame their resentment) let me clarify some points.
Basically, lemmy is decentralized and federated; there are numerous independent servers that host lemmy with each its own rules and values. Right now you’re on https://lemmy.ml which is a leftist instance. To find an instance that’s more suitable to you check https://join-lemmy.org/instances
Nobody mentioned this yet, but Lemmy is federated. It’s impossible to be fully censored since you can run your own instance. (You might have a hard time finding people to federate with you though)
If you have an idea and will respectfully present it rather than yelling “racist”, “sexist”, “bigot”, some sort of phobe etc. then I respect your right to having an opinion and your right to voice it. I want people to have good, honest debates on politics or simply not bother and try getting along on things they do like.I am not a Nazi or racist you are delusional!
Other people’s lives are not a debate topic for some bigot on the Internet. No one owes you a listening ear for your trash views.
Never called you a Nazi, but the fact you defended yourself from it tells me you likely have a lot of practice being called it. If you’re not one, you might wonder why your “different opinions” sound so much like their that people call you one.
Whats with the projection all the time? No one is debating about anyones live, or suggesting that people should be killed. It seems you are unable to have a normal discussion, and try to use these shocking presumptions in place of arguments.
They’re not merely different ideas lol, they’re racism and homophobia. Those ideas aren’t different, they’re unacceptable. Whether you like lattes or black coffee would be “different ideas”.
A bigot is a person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities that are different from their own. Mostly, the person’s opinions are based on prejudice.
Note that op hasnt given any indication that he would “shit on” anyone, he just wants a place to express his opinion (which you obviously cant know). So its really your prejudice speaking.
The tolerance paradox has been discussed throughout history. Basically the conclusion is, you cannot tolerate intolerance. Intolerance is the one thing that only deserves intolerance.
Hard disagree. Actually, really hard disagree on all fronts. I really recommend actually reading what Karl Popper and others has to say on this, they’ve broken this issue down better than I can hope to in a Lemmy comment.
Seen this image here being slapped left and right.
It’s hard to call it a paradox (at least the way it’s being used in this context) when you’re implying a definitive answer.
Philosophically, I don’t think Popper was saying we should be intolerant to intolerance per se, but the fact that by doing so we end up in a conondrum of wheter we, as defenders of tolerance, are intolerant.
Philosophically, I don’t think Popper was saying we should be intolerant to intolerance per se, but the fact that by doing so we end up in a conondrum of wheter we, as defenders of tolerance, are intolerant.
Sure, but he definitely concludes that intolerating intolerance is the way to go, despite the circular and self-referential nature of the issue. Like everything in life, there are exceptions that must be had to make things work, and tolerant people not tolerating intolerance is one of those necessary exceptions. There are plenty of really obvious things that humanity should not be tolerating, like rape, pedophilia, genocide, etc. If your argument is that just because you’re intolerant of racism, sexism, homophobia, etc, that means you’re a hypocrite and therefore no better than the racists, sexists, and homophobes themselves, that is a thoroughly invalid argument.
“anti LGBTQ” can mean literally nothing other than that they shouldn’t exist. Because to be against LGBTQ people (we are people, not things, not ideologies) is to say we should not exist as ourselves. There’s no such thing as “I don’t think gay people should be gay, but that doesn’t mean I don’t want them to exist.”
It’s not projection but you should question why you want to defend a homophobe and a racist so much online.
Or maybe he dislikes how LGBT people have yo promote their views everywhere, and attack everyone who disagrees in the slightest. No one cares what you do at home in your bedroom, or who you love, but we also dont need to know all the details.
This site isn’t for you. You’re a migrant in nearly all countries that you would go, LGBTQ people don’t need anyone to speak against them. Thanks and bye.
You are not logged in. However you can subscribe from another Fediverse account, for example Lemmy or Mastodon. To do this, paste the following into the search field of your instance: !asklemmy@lemmy.ml
A loosely moderated place to ask open ended questions
If your post is
Open ended
Not offensive
Not regarding lemmy support (c/lemmy_support)
not ad nauseam inducing (please make sure its a question that would be new to most members)
try making friends with some migrants and some queer people (there are lots of both on Lemmy) - I’d bet everything that your dehumanising views will change, and you won’t have to worry about “self censorship” to participate here
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Lemmy.ml is not for you. Bye!
Nope, Lemmy is not for you. Have a good day.
You might want to try one of the chans or free speech reddit clones, perhaps?
lemmy.ml is definitely not for you, but you will most surely find another instance accepting you on https://join-lemmy.org/instances. If you don’t find anything that suits your needs you can also run your own instance.
Thank you for your advice I never knew there is something like that.I will try to build a lemmy instance on my server.
Time for another racist Lemmy instance!
I got permanently banned from Reddit after being on for 10 years for suggesting that rapists be castrated. They are going way too far. That being said, you’re probably going to get a lot of pushback from your views on here.
Hello, just before you get appalled by the nonchalant attitude of some of the users (and I honestly wouldn’t blame their resentment) let me clarify some points.
Basically, lemmy is decentralized and federated; there are numerous independent servers that host lemmy with each its own rules and values. Right now you’re on https://lemmy.ml which is a leftist instance. To find an instance that’s more suitable to you check https://join-lemmy.org/instances
Nobody mentioned this yet, but Lemmy is federated. It’s impossible to be fully censored since you can run your own instance. (You might have a hard time finding people to federate with you though)
You can chill a bit with the nice people here, no need to spark debate.
Why would I do that?
Your different ideas shouldn’t be accepted anywhere, go back under your rock
If you have an idea and will respectfully present it rather than yelling “racist”, “sexist”, “bigot”, some sort of phobe etc. then I respect your right to having an opinion and your right to voice it. I want people to have good, honest debates on politics or simply not bother and try getting along on things they do like.I am not a Nazi or racist you are delusional!
Other people’s lives are not a debate topic for some bigot on the Internet. No one owes you a listening ear for your trash views.
Never called you a Nazi, but the fact you defended yourself from it tells me you likely have a lot of practice being called it. If you’re not one, you might wonder why your “different opinions” sound so much like their that people call you one.
Whats with the projection all the time? No one is debating about anyones live, or suggesting that people should be killed. It seems you are unable to have a normal discussion, and try to use these shocking presumptions in place of arguments.
Thats a rather bigoted opinion you have.
They’re not merely different ideas lol, they’re racism and homophobia. Those ideas aren’t different, they’re unacceptable. Whether you like lattes or black coffee would be “different ideas”.
And how do you know so specifically what op thinks? Are you a mindreader?
Not a mindreader, but a reader. I read. Not minds, but text. Like OP’s actual fucking post.
Are you for fucking real here? I’m bigoted because some dude wants a nice racist echo chamber where he can shit on queers and immigrants?
No need to get upset. Here is a definition of bigotry, which in my opinion matches your comment well:
https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigotry
Note that op hasnt given any indication that he would “shit on” anyone, he just wants a place to express his opinion (which you obviously cant know). So its really your prejudice speaking.
The tolerance paradox has been discussed throughout history. Basically the conclusion is, you cannot tolerate intolerance. Intolerance is the one thing that only deserves intolerance.
You cant fight intolerance with intolerance. That will cause more conflict and more problems.
Hard disagree. Actually, really hard disagree on all fronts. I really recommend actually reading what Karl Popper and others has to say on this, they’ve broken this issue down better than I can hope to in a Lemmy comment.
Then I disagree with you and Karl Popper.
Seen this image here being slapped left and right.
It’s hard to call it a paradox (at least the way it’s being used in this context) when you’re implying a definitive answer.
Philosophically, I don’t think Popper was saying we should be intolerant to intolerance per se, but the fact that by doing so we end up in a conondrum of wheter we, as defenders of tolerance, are intolerant.
Sure, but he definitely concludes that intolerating intolerance is the way to go, despite the circular and self-referential nature of the issue. Like everything in life, there are exceptions that must be had to make things work, and tolerant people not tolerating intolerance is one of those necessary exceptions. There are plenty of really obvious things that humanity should not be tolerating, like rape, pedophilia, genocide, etc. If your argument is that just because you’re intolerant of racism, sexism, homophobia, etc, that means you’re a hypocrite and therefore no better than the racists, sexists, and homophobes themselves, that is a thoroughly invalid argument.
Op want a place to express their prejudice as you stated a bigot.
Per your definition being intolerant of persons that explicitly state their bigotry doesn’t make you a bigot…
Homie is anti-lgbtq. There is not a polite way to express that someone shouldn’t exist.
The fact that you think there is says more about you than you may think it does.
It is absolutely insane that you’re more interested in politeness to oppressers than the oppressed.
He didnt say anything to suggest that they shouldnt exist. So stop projecting.
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“anti LGBTQ” can mean literally nothing other than that they shouldn’t exist. Because to be against LGBTQ people (we are people, not things, not ideologies) is to say we should not exist as ourselves. There’s no such thing as “I don’t think gay people should be gay, but that doesn’t mean I don’t want them to exist.”
It’s not projection but you should question why you want to defend a homophobe and a racist so much online.
Or maybe he dislikes how LGBT people have yo promote their views everywhere, and attack everyone who disagrees in the slightest. No one cares what you do at home in your bedroom, or who you love, but we also dont need to know all the details.
Like, you’re anti-immigrant and anti-lgbtq?
You might not get banned, but I hope everyone’s horrifically mean if you express those sentiments.
He’d get banned on day one. Lemmy.ml tolerates libs a lot of the time, but not this shit.
Based on those reasons for a ban, no. This applies also for many other Lemmy instances.
This site isn’t for you. You’re a migrant in nearly all countries that you would go, LGBTQ people don’t need anyone to speak against them. Thanks and bye.
Thanks for the advice I would definatly move on to 8kun.
Maybe pawoo or gab could suite him?
good luck with all the pedophile content!
I really don’t think we should accept ideas in large font
Nice Paradox
The bigger the font, the more the man knows you won’t let your bigotry be censored