I was just reading posts on there a few minutes ago and it is now banned. That sub was pretty much just educational, this shit is getting ridiculous.

  • DongFangHong@lemmygrad.ml
    62·
    3 years ago

    I backed up all submissions on /r/GenZhou last week because I was afraid this would happen.

    If you want to download the raw json, see /c/GenZhouArchive

        • PorkrollPosadist@lemmygrad.ml
          9·
          3 years ago

          If anyone wants to take a stab at this, I recommend setting up a local development instance (following the instructions provided in the lemmy docs) to test against. You don’t need to learn Rust to do this, but you will need to have Rust, PostgreSQL, Node and Yarn at your disposal. Alternately, you can use the docker method, but I find it much easier to introspect what the hell is going on with the database when it isn’t inside of a container.

          After starting up the dev instance, you can use something like pgAdmin to poke around at your leisure and figure out the schema. You can also look through the Diesel migrations (written in SQL, used to initialize / upgrade / downgrade the database), however these are split up into dozens of individual updates chronologically and it is easy to overlook important bits of context (i.e. a table is created in one migration, a column is removed in another, two more columns are added in a third one, etc).

          Edit: Speaking for myself, having no affiliation with Lemmygrad, I think creating dummy users would be excessive and complicated. It would probably double the site’s user count just to import the archive. What might be better is to use a single account named “GenZhouArchive” or something and add a string to the start of each comment indicating the original reddit username. Along the same lines, it might be a good idea to do the same with post/comment scores. Applying the Reddit comment scores to Lemmy posts/comments will flood the top sort heavily.

          • KiaKaha@lemmygrad.ml
            2·
            3 years ago

            Another approach that hits some of those concerns is to create a whole new instance of @archive.ml, and import everything there as read-only. That way you keep all the architecture, and it’s accessible via Lemmy, but it doesn’t flood the database and stats of this instance.

        • comfy
          5·
          3 years ago

          It would probably be best to ask the developers to be most certain. If you already have Matrix chat, you can ask in #lemmy:matrix.org or the dev chat channel in their subject line.

            • comfy
              3·
              3 years ago

              You’re right, I was tired and commented before reading the whole thing. I just saw the talk of schemas and thought I understood.

        • Muad'Dibber@lemmygrad.ml
          4·
          3 years ago

          Are you thinking about importing all of the genzhou posts and comments into the lemmygrad database as posts/comments on genzhouarchive?

          Yep, precisely. If you know SQL you could do the create / batch import statements with that schema.

          1

          They are likely pretty close, but if you pull down lemmy and run it locally, you could inspect the postgres tables directly. Since migrations might have some column changes since those creates.

          2

          Probably just a single user, and maybe in the comment body you could have the top line be their real reddit username.

    • TheConquestOfBed
      6·
      3 years ago

      This is great! But for some reason I can’t view that comm from my Lemmy.ml account. :(

      (It is visible in-browser when logged out though?)

    • comfy
      26·
      3 years ago

      It’s hard to find places like that, willing to have the repetitive, draining tolerance of seeing the same arguments each day cluttering their threads and not just yelling ‘read a book!’ or banning them. I have much respect, even though it has an impact on the community.

      • CoinOperatedBoi
        20·
        3 years ago

        It helps when the educational space is separate and can be engaged with consciously instead of just being part of your daily feed. A lot of the people who are most well equipped to educate are also at major risk of burnout and violated boundaries if they spend too much time justifying their own beliefs or existence

        • comfy
          10·
          3 years ago

          Yeah, I’ve had a few people in other places express interest in developing a thorough set of FAQs on their own wiki so that in the tourist-heavy places, they can just link to it instead of burning themselves out over mini-essays that a troll won’t even bother reading.

          • CoinOperatedBoi
            9·
            3 years ago

            The biggest barriers are someone literally taking the plunge to set up the wiki and then having a community with sufficient interest in moderating it once it is inevitably brigaded

            • comfy
              9·
              3 years ago

              Absolutely. Luckily there are a couple I know of that have taken the plunge and have enough initial content that people can see value in it and get interested in keeping it updated, but at the end of the day it’s harder to maintain interest on a dry informative project, I would assume. (as for brigading, account verification kind of like this site counters many of the more casual vandals, and on a wiki I guess you have the ability to screen with actual theoretical knowledge, since it’s expected that you know what you’re talking about if you’re editing. Either that or a vouch from an existing member)

              I don’t have experience with prolewiki.org, but seeing as it has 1000+ articles in the English site and a range of community links, I’d like to think it’s modestly successful. (I checked the About page and apparently it’s explicitly born out of Lemmygrad. !prolewiki I did not know that.

              leftypedia.org has 500+ articles, but this section is what I’m interesting in seeing grow: https://leftypedia.org/wiki/Rhetoric There’s evidently room for improvement and expansion, but those kind of easy-to-link rebuttal pages could be very useful for communities with lots of tourists who don’t need personallized replies to say “This page explains it”.

  • immoral_hedge@lemmygrad.ml
    41·
    3 years ago

    Posting my old but relevant comment here for visibility:

    It is naive to belive you can get any traction and spread on your controversial posts without some form of vote manipulating in the beginning. An ex. The Ukrainian neo-nazis are already in closed discord groups with «early-warning» systems that have autosearch on Reddit etc. with tags for words like «Azov», «mariupol», «Ukraine» to notify about new posts and manipulate them in their favor trough comments and voting.Any vaguely negative NATO critique will be downvoted and hidden before it can organically grow.

    • MexicanCCPBot@lemmygrad.ml
      26·
      3 years ago

      Reactionaries always play dirty, both online and IRL. Botting, obscure funding, identity concealment, astroturfing, sockpuppeting as leftist factions, psyops… we can’t compete just by playing fairly, fascists shit all over civility and get their way because of that. If we don’t use harder information warfare tactics we’ll always have the lower hand. They already call us Chinese or Russian bots, might as well own it.

  • i_must_destroy@lemmygrad.mlOP
    36·
    3 years ago

    Amazingly enough, I did a search and there was a post on genusa about how GenZhou was ‘surprisingly tolerant’.

    There’s literally no reason that sub should have been banned.

    • Eat_Yo_Vegetables69@lemmygrad.ml
      27·
      3 years ago

      Yeah that might be one reason why it got axed without quarantining… last thing the admins want is a tolerant and educational space to attract more and more of the ‘left leaning’ people there…

      • i_must_destroy@lemmygrad.mlOP
        25·
        3 years ago

        If they banned GenZhou unprovoked I won’t be surprised if they just ban all communist/socialist subs outright. Twitter doesn’t even seem as bad about bans as Reddit has been recently.

            • Rafael_Luisi@lemmygrad.ml
              9·
              3 years ago

              Honestly i dont think its influential enough nowadays to be compared. Yeah its filled with shit, but its very boring shit. Twitter and reddit are filled with newer and more influential garbage.

              • PorkrollPosadist@lemmygrad.ml
                16·
                3 years ago

                By user count, Facebook is the largest by far, and that is before you take other Facebook/Meta properties like WhatsApp and Instagram into account. Facebook may not be the source of cutting edge cultural developments anymore, but it is a collosal percolator of reactionary garbage.

        • Redp@lemmygrad.ml
          3·
          3 years ago

          As i read your comment a Brazilian comrade just got banned on Twitter for debunking the holodomor, i wasn’t even expecting that because i thought Twitter was a little more tolerant, i could only guess it’s because the holodomor serves for the western war propaganda and he was attracting a lot of attention.

    • holdengreen@lemmygrad.ml
      20·
      3 years ago

      I don’t sew why folks are still using r/GenZedong. Reddit is fucked.

      And I hope we are getting an archive of the sub.

      • Kind_Stone@lemmygrad.ml
        16·
        3 years ago

        I saw people comment that they are just lazy to register a Lemmy account. Oh, well. Maybe they don’t really need it.

          • aworldtowin
            11·
            3 years ago

            I’m one of em, voted for Bernie in the 2020 primaries as my first vote ever and now a based ML that’s about to unplug from reddit entirely.

  • KlargDeThaym@lemmygrad.ml
    31·
    3 years ago

    Fuck Reddit. Long since time to abandon that pissbucket.

    Anybody knows if there’s an android app for Lemmy, like Boost?

  • Weinus@lemmygrad.ml
    29·
    3 years ago

    Head of policy at Reddit is some Atlantic Council security state glowie queen. They understand the assignment 👏.

  • Comrade AppleDash@lemmygrad.ml
    28·
    3 years ago

    This worries me because it is clear that Reddit is (understandably) more concerned about people becoming educated than the spread of memes. They clearly don’t want GenZedong around, but they recognise that what is basically a meme subreddit will have much less of an impact on people than a subreddit for education, as GenZhou was all about.

    This makes me concerned that similar subreddits like r/InformedTankie are next. I’m honestly surprised at how long that sub has gone completely unscathed, considering how explicit its intentions are. It’s also a lot bigger than GenZhou was. Maybe it’s survived so long because it isn’t part of the “GenZ” circle, who knows.

    Either way this is certainly not a good sign. On the upside, it almost certainly means more traffic for Lemmygrad, so there’s a plus :D

      • comfy
        12·
        3 years ago

        You think they would have learned from the alt-right tech exodus…

    • class_warrior@lemmygrad.ml
      1·
      3 years ago

      The problem with Lemmygrad.ml though is that then there’s much less of a chance that ML’s can deradicalize right wingers/liberals the way they successfully have on Reddit. While Lemmygrad is great for organizing and discussion among other Marxists, it’s pretty isolated ideologically speaking. And I don’t see the kind of interaction between ignorant libs/right wingers and ML’s on Lemmy as I did on Reddit, because, well, there aren’t really any non-ML’s on Lemmy.

  • DyesBratee
    24·
    3 years ago

    Those admin cucks didn’t even quarantine it…