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  • nlfx
    22·
    3 years ago

    There is something seriously wrong with Mozilla leadership. They keep alienating the small privacy-focussed userbase they have left, and then act surprised when Firefox’s marketshare keeps shrinking…

    Baker needs to go and be replaced by someone who cares about Firefox long term viability instead of only caring about how many millions more they can add to their obscene salary while destroying Firefox and everything else that Mozilla built over the years.

    • MarcellusDrumOP
      10·
      3 years ago

      They are just milking the Firefox cow to death. Their salaries are increasing while the revenue and marketshare is rapidly decreasing. Mozilla is a sinking ship, and sadly we have to alternative.

    • tmpod@lemmy.pt
      31·
      3 years ago

      Yeah their decisions make no sense. It’s honestly very depressing seeing such a foundation/company in charge of a project like Firefox doing so much shit… Firefox could be so great and have a much more prominent presence, but they keep failing and failing and failing and completely missing the point.

    • ChinaNumberOne
      123·
      3 years ago

      yikes sweaty, mozilla’s ceo is a proud bipoc trans woman. stop being so hateful

        • Evan
          4·
          3 years ago

          China has been banned from two of communities I run for being a borderline troll. They were the ones who prompted me to open the issue in lemmy

          In one community a user has been posting aggressive comments, but not to the point that I feel banning them would be the best course of action (yet). They reported an user to me, and I believed that the user they reported was talking in good faith and they misunderstood what they were saying (It was badly worded). I asked the reporter if I was missing something, and they blocked me. In the community the user has continued to post aggressively, although not nessisarally in a way that violates our rules. I want to message them asking them to calm down a tad bit, but I have no way to do so and I feel I only have one option if they continue that I can not warn them of.

          I think it has come to the time were a sitewide ban is appropriate

          • DessalinesA
            4·
            3 years ago

            Ya, its pretty transparent. I could even link the comment where they did the exact same thing a few days ago.

  • Whom
    201·
    3 years ago

    I love firefox and can usually make excuses to myself for them but I’m tired of keeping up with whatever bullshit they’re trying today. To librewolf I guess.

      • Whom
        5·
        3 years ago

        It definitely isn’t a solution to any wider problems, but for my needs it’s the best gecko-based browser.

  • adrianmalacoda
    12·
    3 years ago

    People are going to complain no matter how they try to make money, but this should at least have been opt-in with clear consent. The alternative of course is being beholden to Google search referrals. They can’t photosynthesize funds.

    Vivaldi, Brave, and their stans are getting their pitchforks ready, forgetting that they don’t have to do the hard work of developing an engine because Google already does that for them.

    • AgreeableLandscape
      13·
      3 years ago

      Vivaldi, Brave, and their stans are getting their pitchforks ready, forgetting that they don’t have to do the hard work of developing an engine because Google already does that for them.

      I don’t know about how Vivaldi works, but Brave stans can shut up. Their ad system is a hundred times worse than Mozilla’s.

      I mean, I don’t like how they went about this either, but considering the alternative of a 100% Google dominated browser space, and the fact that you can just disable it and the base Firefox code is still open source, it’s not a huge deal.

      • adrianmalacoda
        3·
        3 years ago

        Yeah, I’m not really defending them (from my point of view any feature that does something without my knowledge or consent being turned on by default is unacceptable) but from my point of view they’ll always have to dance with a devil of some sort. I say people are going to complain no matter what based on past experiences: e.g. the “sponsored content on new tab”, where they made sure to run all the “recommendation” logic locally so that no data was being sent out of the browser, that still wasn’t enough because “ads are bad.” So maybe from Mozilla’s point of view there is no incentive to try to make these folks happy. People complained whenever they tried to offer Pocket or the VPN thing or the password manager because those weren’t “core products” but they’re also not allowed to monetize the “core product” either. It’s like these people expect Mozilla to be able to synthesize money from air.

        And, I am not really sure of the value of suggesting Vivaldi (which is vehemently anti-free software) or Brave (dodgy crypto scheme) which also further Google’s dominance over the modern web as a side effect, when we have community versions of Firefox such as LibreWolf or IceCat which are basically the Gecko equivalent of those shady Chromium clones.

        I think I’m starting to come around to Drew DeVault’s position that it is impossible to implement the web as it exists today.

        • Evan
          1·
          3 years ago

          I rarely use closed source software. My exceptions are

          • Windows
            • Because I need to run
              • Photoshop
          • DuckDuckGo (actually good FOSS search engine when?)
          • Vivaldi

          Vivaldi just works so wonderful. Once you use it you can’t go back (Check out the in browser mail client). I really wish they were FOSS though.

          • AgreeableLandscape
            1·
            3 years ago

            Vivaldi just works so wonderful. Once you use it you can’t go back (Check out the in browser mail client). I really wish they were FOSS though.

            It doesn’t matter to me how much better Vivaldi works over Firefox or even Base Chromium. TBH, this is just something I’m willing to sacrifice in the name of FLOSS. iPhones and Macs are amazingly user friendly too, but I still avoid them like the plague because of Apple’s absolute hatred of FLOSS and especially Right to Repair.

    • tmpod@lemmy.pt
      51·
      3 years ago

      Yeah sure, but I’m not very convinced this is the best way for them to make money. And you also have to keep in mind that company internal decisions have been really bad, which got augmented by covid. The whole absurd CEO salary is a fine example of the downhill path Mozilla is taking…

      • stopit
        2·
        3 years ago

        I understand what you (and many other say) but…why not give some alternative ideas on how to make money as well?

        • tmpod@lemmy.pt
          3·
          3 years ago

          Because I am not qualified to make good proposals, nor do I know the inner workings of Mozilla. I could spew out some ideas but nothing that could concretely be implemented.

          I can, however, criticize them in an attempt to raise aawareness and directly, or indirectly, make them work on solving the issues. And as I mentioned, my biggest grudge with them isn’t even this (which won’t be that big of a problem since you can turn it off), but rather completely derranged distribution of salaries that Mozilla has.

  • Kromonos@fapsi.be
    11·
    3 years ago

    When you can’t find the settings they describe on the page, it is, because it’s just for a small amount of users in the U.S.:

    Note: Firefox Suggest is currently available for a limited number of users in the U.S. only.

  • obsolete29@sopuli.xyz
    10·
    3 years ago

    I think it makes a certain amount of sense if you’re an internet company trying to monetize but it sure does seem tone deaf.

    This isn’t that different from what DuckDuckGo does. They show you ads based on the words you’re typing in. They just promise not to build profiles on you and track you around everywhere. I bet Firefox is trying to take the same approach.

    I think it just feels different though because when I’m typing stuff into the bar, I’m actually intending to search the internet with ddg but Firefox is inserting itself into that equation and trying to display ads. Plus, firefox is software installed on my computer and not a web portal… that just makes it feel not so great. imo

  • the_tech_beast
    2·
    3 years ago

    fyi I also posted this I originally intended to title the post as this but when I looked in the settings, I did not find this option. So I deleted it. Later I found out its only for some users in the usa. 😂

  • snackwifi
    24·
    3 years ago

    What a shame - ads really do have a way of injecting themselves into everything. Who wants to take bets on how ads will make their way into lemmy?

    • DessalinesA
      8·
      3 years ago

      We’ve been running for like 2 years now sticking to our commitment of no ads. I’d sooner shut down the project than succumb to that. We’ll always be donation funded.

      • snackwifi
        6·
        3 years ago

        I have complete faith in you, Dessalines. It’s maintainers who come after you I’d be more pessimistic about. In any case,🤞

        • DessalinesA
          7·
          3 years ago

          Haha no probs, very understandable. We’ve seen too many projects go that way 😞