I have been running lineageOS on my OnePlus 2. I liked it, but Lineage has stopped supporting my phone. There are two options that I have been able to find as replacements - postmarketOS and /e/OS. Any thoughts on those or other recommendation? Anything that gets security updates, is open source, and is functional meets my needs.
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LineageOS don’t use permissive selinux and disabled nearly every function of userdebug build except for root functions over adb (that is disabled by default).
The only real danger about LOS is the unlocked bootloader, but it can’t be solved by LineageOS developers, since it depend deeply by manufactorer.
Still, even if it is a security risk it depend a lot about your threat model and if you usually install only trusted apps and navigate on trusted sites (or usually disable JavaScript) the actual attack surfaces isn’t really a problem for the common users, and there are only theoretical risks.
The great thing about official LOS is the support of a lot of devices (and not only Google made) and the big community approval needed for every change.
Community standards for LOS are actually really strict, and you can be pretty sure to have a stable system when you use official LOS on your device. Since there are dozens of supported devices it gives users a lot of freedom.
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Hello GrapheneOS propaganda account, nice to meet you. Nice security theater you are fooling everybody with.
Great general info! Thanks for taking the time to put it together. Specifically, Graphene and Calyx support a combined total of 12 devices 11 of which are Pixels. Great for those users and it might inform what I buy in the future. Lineage supports tons of devices - great for anyone reading this who doesn’t care about the softened security (or doesn’t have another choice). Lineage is out for me specifically because my device is old/unpopular enough. /e/ still list support for my device, but I am guessing that since it is based on Lineage it won’t get meaningful support either.
It depend, /e/ could still continue to support your device if trees aren’t so outdated. Still, check frequently at least the security patch version
Thanks for the distinction. Just for the record and anyone asking the same question - /e/ does still support even though lineage dropped my device.
I recommend you learn about the levels of lunacy I debunked regarding the security theater GrapheneOS and its fanboys have created. https://lemmy.ml/post/73800/comment/66676
The poster above deleted a lot of comments where we had a discussion, a month ago.
Maybe if I am ever looking at graphene I will. As I said it isn’t available on my device.
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Good thoughts in the article about what needs to get prioritized in development. Yeah, my phone specifically isn’t quite there, but at least they’re pretty far along in the process, and this is good discussion for anyone else looking for a new OS who might have a different old phone. My ability to contribute to code is so limited that it might as well not exist. Best I can usually do is finding and reporting issues.
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Yes there is also latest version of LineageOs 20 available. Read it here Lineage Update
PostmarketOS would be my choice of those options. They support full disk encryption which the others don’t.
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You’re right that they are probably just edge cases. As a thought experiment I see three possible use scenarios - 1) Lose the phone and it dies 2) Malicious person gets phone, tries to restart for whatever reason, and is locked out 3) I know for some reason that someone is about to try to get data off my phone in person and I have time to turn it off.
More to the point there really isn’t a downside. Entering a password when I restart is nothing for me, and the read/write slow down isn’t going be noticeable because I don’t ask much of my phone.
That is a nice-to-have that could push me that way
I have been running /e/ for over a year and I have to say that it has been great. As opposed to lineage, they have stripped out as much of the Google stuff as possible while keeping it working (they use microG).
Great to have perspective from a real world user. Thank you!
I highly recommend just going to the xdadevelopers forum for your device, and see what the most supported ROMs are. They’ll all be AOSP-based of course, but many of them will have de-googled / de-play-store download options. Most importantly the most popular ones will always support all your phone hardware.
I’ve never been in the xdadevelopers forums. I will definitely go take a look. Thanks for the new resource.
They also might package spyware and are often provided by twelve year olds.
Can you provide a source for your dubious claims? Is this the “12yo p*jeet ROM” racist meme? Because I am an Indian, who has been enough on 4chan and reddit to know what this means.
Dont accuse other users of racism for no reason. No one even talked about Indians before you. This is a warning.
Thank you.
I would like to point out that the term he used before making the edit was pretty obnoxious and targeted towards Indians, exatly how it is done regularly on 4chan. Can the comment be reviewed or showed again, before the edit?
I do not like to mess around with such accusations, and I am sure you know that considering my history.
In the below comment he even validates his earlier used terms using the sentence:
I don’t care if you’re Indian or twelve. You shouldn’t pack spyware into my ROMs and know what you’re doing is all I’m saying.
I am an Indian. Who is packing spyware into his ROMs, most of which are made by Indians and are available on XDA as LineageOS tweaks or variations?
Sorry I didnt notice before that he edited the comment, and unfortunately we dont have any edit history stored in Lemmy. Anyway, when you see a rule violation (eg racism), then you should report it to the admins/mods and have them take care of it. Attacking another user is also a rule violation (rule 2), and is just gonna lead to more trouble.
Edit: also I suggest that both of you stop arguing, because it is not going anywhere. Just accept that you disagree, and ignore each other. @Helix@feddit.de @TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml
also I suggest that both of you stop arguing, because it is not going anywhere. Just accept that you disagree, and ignore each other.
Good idea, sorry.
The only person I constantly see attacking and evidently justifying his racist phrasing is this fellow, not me. I have a track record of being vigilant and putting myself on the frontlines for Lemmy, and the only thing I have to gain is the existence of a non obnoxious reddit alternative for everyone, that respects darknet anonymous proxy access.
I made a mistake of not screenshotting the exact phrase, and he is taking advantage of it openly. I see it as important to be vigilant about racism towards all the major factions of society, not just the LGBT+, the Jews, Blacks, Muslims and so on. Indians are PoCs and they face their fair share of racism, and there are not enough Indians on the internet to point it out. Atleast I have not seen another active Indian on Lemmy yet, as the couple users on c/india are dormant now.
I would also like to make my position clear once again that I do not accuse users of such serious issues randomly. When I do, it will be rare and it will be worth looking into.
I appreciate that you try to fight against racism and discrimination. That isnt the problem, the problem is how you are doing it. You have to understand, most people in Europe dont hate nonwhite people (except for a small, vocal minority). The racism here is much more subtle than that, and people dont even realize that their beliefs and worldviews are racist. I know because I used to hold such beliefs as well (its almost impossible to avoid because the media really misrepresents things).
I think the best way to fight against this racism is with education. If people in the west could understand how people in the global south are being exploited and oppressed by imperialism, they would change their beliefs. Another thing is that many people view racism as something like person A saying a bad word to person B, but thats only a minor part of it. I would say the main aspect of racism is the economic relationship between imperialist and neocolonial countries (again, exploitation and imperialism).
I would like to point out that the term he used before making the edit was pretty obnoxious and targeted towards Indians
I edited ‘usually’ into ‘often’, as far as I remember. I myself can’t show the history.
I am an Indian.
Nobody cares. Even if I said 12yo Indians, that’d still be obvious hyperbole and not racism, because I didn’t use ‘pajeet’ or other racist words. I also didn’t insinuate that only Indians do this.
It’s just like if I said CSGO is full of 16yo German cheaters. Which incidentally is true and ruins the game for many people, including Germans. If you cared about understanding my comment you wouldn’t have thought it was racist.
No, you did not. You are a liar, and I would not have pointed that out if you did just that. Your comment was 2 sentences long, not a one liner. You are simply taking advantage of me not screenshotting your exact phrasing, and Lemmy has no comment scrapers like reddit does. And the admin unfortunately does not see racism because he does not know how racism against Indians work, because he is a foreigner.
And the admin unfortunately does not see racism because he does not know how racism against Indians work, because he is a foreigner.
Yeah because magically only targets of racism know how racism works. You even contradict yourself there as that’d mean I myself couldn’t be racist because I wouldn’t know how.
Can you provide a source for your dubious claims?
My experience and subsequent hyperbole. Many of those 12 year olds are probably legal now.
Is this the “12yo p*jeet ROM” racist meme?
Don’t call me a racist, mudslinger.
Because I am an Indian, who has been enough on 4chan and reddit to know what this means.
OK bruh. I don’t care if you’re Indian or twelve. You shouldn’t pack spyware into my ROMs and know what you’re doing is all I’m saying.
@dessalines@lemmy.ml @nutomic@lemmy.ml can you look into this obnoxious commenter?
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You call other people racist, which in my book is a serious crime, and then cry about when they tell you to fuck off? What are you, 12? Or have you simply never grown up?
Stop causing drama and stop trolling me. The new ignore feature will be live in a few weeks and I can’t wait to test it on you.
I don’t even know what a “12yo p*jeet ROM” is. After a short research I found out it’s a derogatory term for people shitting in the street, who in my understanding probably don’t even have the means to create ROMs as they don’t have access to more basic infrastructure needed to piece them together. Your allegation doesn’t even make any sense.
I don’t even know what a “12yo p*jeet ROM” is. After a short research I found out it’s a derogatory term for people shitting in the street, who in my understanding probably don’t even have the means to create ROMs as they don’t have access to more basic infrastructure needed to piece them together. Your allegation doesn’t even make any sense.
Acting ignorant towards these dogwhistles being called out is a favourite tactic of people like you. Indians are called pjeet and rjeesh commonly on 4chan, reddit and various other forums that let slide away racism.
Acting ignorant towards these dogwhistles being called out is a favourite tactic of people like you.
I can’t even imagine what horrors 😱 you went through due to my comments. I sincerestly apologise for hurting your feelings. Of course, you caught me, I’m a 👌dog-whistling right wing extremist fascist and I like to start genocides and generally hate everything that is not 👩🏻🦲 white, libtard or gay 🏳️🌈. That’s clear due to my other racist comments on this site. 🙃
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Thank you! I must have been looking somewhere with outdated info when I looked into this one.
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Yeah, I don’t think it was super popular and it’s getting old (6yrs). I think spotty support is all I can hope for, but I’d rather do that than toss it.
