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      Also, we’re essentially back to a browser monopoly.

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          Strong disagree. IE was bad because it was heavily tied to the interests of its controlling entity. Things like ActiveX broke the OS-agnostic principles of the web. As it was the bundled default browser used by the majority, and therefore the main target of webdevs, its quirky behaviour became a way to enforce its use and help make non-Windows users second-class web citizens.

          Now Chrome is well established in its number one spot, we’re seeing more initiatives from Google to use that dominance to similarly create dependencies for users on the Google ecosystem.

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          Yeah, but IE didn’t either start out its life as a shitty browser. It was the stagnation after they reached the monopoly that got it there.

          I don’t think, Chrome’s path will go exactly the same, as for example Google has an actual financial interest in the internet at least being somewhat healthy/growing. But at the same time, there’s also aspects that might make the journey worse this time around:

          • Google has significant web properties that average users will want to continue using, even if e.g. Google starts using proprietary APIs on there.
          • Google is a lot slier than Microsoft in this regard. For example, Android was open at first, but over years it grew this proprietary abscess (Play Services), which they forced onto vendors behind the scenes and stuff like that.
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    Agree with this. The web is much worse than it was 15 years ago. Over time things should be getting less bloated, not more. I had an awful desktop PC, but I could still do instant messaging, web browsing, and listen to music. Now a comparable machine would maybe be able to run 1 electron app.

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      Total agreement to you, since my switch to Debian all my work and production increased pretty much, being able to edit images, videos and doing daily work never has been so fruitful as now . Everytime i’m hearing someone say that it’s desktop or laptop is a crap, i think exactly the opposite.

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        Matrix has a lot a front ends that aren’t in electron, I currently use nheko, but I think there are a few others.

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        If you can get your contax to use xmpp my hat is off to you… i have tried and failed

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    Pretty much all the problems described in the article are artifacts of capitalist model driving web development. Websites are constantly looking for ways to monetize their users, to create lock-ins, and so on. And, as always, capitalism leads to consolidation and monopolies, so we now have a handful of websites most people visit.

    Good news is that we’re now seeing a new model with Fediverse that’s largely run non-profit by volunteers and activists. I think this is facilitated by VPS hosting prices having come down significantly and containerization technology like Docker making deployment and maintenance easier.

    I see Fediverse as the future of open web that’s bringing back all the nice things that have been stomped out by the commercial web.

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