It’s not even pacifism. Ask this git if he thinks NATO should get involved or if war should continue against Russia.
Why did you post “most mentally sane” sopuli user, instead of a comment debunking that post? Even liberals deserve to hear the truth, not borderline ableist insults.
Because you don’t argue with fascists
Yeah but why throw mentally ill people under the bus??
Il just saying that being fascist is insane, no weird - ism things
You said someone was mentally unstable. That is saneism, a form of ableism directed at the mentally unwell. As a mentally unstable person myself, I don’t find my condition to be related to fascist beliefs at all.
Aside from casting aspersions on mentally unwell people, I think it’s important not to equate fascism and mental instability, as there are plenty of very stable, very calculating people who are pushing fascism.
We can’t fall into the trap of believing fascism is just a mental health problem, that’s rather similar to the refrain of Americans who argue that mental health is the problem leading to gun violence, and not a culture of reinforcing the dehumanization of others and glorifying oppressive violence.
“Least ideologically and morally wrong fascist” was too long
Obviously you can respond to stuff like this however you want (and let me be clear, I absolutely agree that the post in question was just. . . not anything. An article whose source was trust me bro? ooookay) but it’s not surprising your comment was removed, and in the end it didn’t help to explain to the confused onlooker why the article wasn’t worth anyone’s time.
well yeah maybe i fed the troll responding to that post, its not worth responding to those types of threads in the end, they just want to see the world burn
I don’t believe fascists are insane and I wouldn’t make a comment like the one you did. But the removal stinks of tone policing to me and I fail to see how it makes the site safer for “mentally ill” people.
You wouldn’t mind if frippa called you mentally ill every time they disagreed with you, instead of engaging with the content of what you’re saying? What about a racist slur instead of an ableist slur? We very much do tone policing here too.
I get called mentally ill to my face in real life. I’m confused by this comment.
That’s not cool at all. And this thread is frippa whining about not being able to call ppl mentally ill as a slur.
This shows a lack of consciousness, and reeks of ultraleftism. Debunk and educate, don’t rely on slurs.
That person is clearly a misguided liberal, not a fascist, and everyone in that thread deserves to hear the truth also.
Those with a “Left” deviation in their thinking magnify contradictions between ourselves and the enemy to such an extent that they take certain contradictions among the people for contradictions with the enemy and regard as counter-revolutionaries persons who are actually not.
- Mao
man, did you read the Reuters article though? an anonymous source said that Putin (who makes all decisions in Russia) doesn’t want peace, man. hard evidence that Putin just wants to kill Ukrainians, man. my world has been turned upside down, man
If Lemmy has rules about insults they should have one against fake news
It can be hard to distinguish in some cases, but a “no articles based on purely anonymous sources” rule would be nice
I agree they should ban CNN, the Guardian, BBC, fox, Breitbart, storm front etc
I’m fucking insane and if I got my comment removed for calling fascists “deranged”, I’d turn into the Joker.
Very common of y’all to call bad people “sociopaths” and “psychopaths” yet I’m aware this will never be scrutinized 🧐
Ppl could just not be ableist and use slurs, its pretty simple.
I believe the problem lies in that people have no idea what ableism/saneism looks and sounds like. I can be biased because I am personally affected by this particular topic. I’m not soft on ableists but I expect more than a change in the words people use. I’m not sure if you get what I mean.
maybe there should be a rule against using ableist terms? what do you think
edit: nvm it’s already there, just checked the sidebar.
I don’t think telling people to stop saying “sociopath” will change their perceptions of people like me who experience low empathy and struggle with antisocial behavior. Even I call myself that. People should instead think more critically of what values they attach to “mental illness” and the “failure” of acting like a “sane” person.
I agree here, and obviously a change in language doesn’t equal a change in attitude (trust me, I know), and in a lot of cases it can’t even really be considered a very minor victory. That’s often how people just end up with brand new slurs.
We should, though, still be trying to stop the usage of slurs. That comes with removing the slurs so people know it won’t be tolerated, but I think it needs to go beyond that. We also need to be explaining the reasoning why that usage isn’t conducive to the discussion at hand (something I elucidated below).
Most importantly though, when there are so very many things to take umbrage at in these arguments, being upset that you got your comment removed (not your comment specifically, your in the general sense) when it was a very clear violation of the rules doesn’t really make sense.
Get angry that people are able to perpetuate harmful rhetoric as long as they skirt certain language and remain within the bounds of “politeness” sure, but don’t be surprised that a comment gets taken down when you call people names when that’s explicitly banned and the moderators have shown they will act on that rule.
We need a reaction button that says “Fine, I’ll think about this”
The ultimate marxist react
I didn’t mean that only changing how people speak is enough, sorry for not making that clear in my other comment.
People should instead think more critically of what values they attach to “mental illness” and the “failure” of acting like a “sane” person.
I totally agree. Also to the op post, equating facism with mental illness is just extremely damaging to how mental illness is seen by the general public and does nothing to harm facists.
that kind of propaganda is considered credible in the mainstream and you called a whole instance insane for believing it. what did you think was going to happen?
All this time I thought Lemmygrad is its own thing and the ‘ml’ meant Marxist Leninist.
Lemmygrad.ml is separate from lemmy.ml. Both websites run their own instance of Lemmy behind the scenes. But lemmygrad.ml and lemmy.ml federate with each other. So you can view and interact with posts from lemmy.ml even though you have a lemmygrad.ml account.
ml in the domain name does not mean Marxist Leninst even. It is a Malaysian domain. ml is short for Malaysia.
Why do they have the malasyan domain tho? Does it cost less?
It’s free
oooh now i see, its funny that the ML domain is free eheheh
It’s the Mali domain! Malaysia is .my
Lemmy.lib
They seemingly want to have all the downsides of Reddit but with a much smaller user base. I don’t get it. If you wanna lib out, there’s all other Western-based social media?
The thread you commented is completely false NATO propaganda and i reported it as such. yet it still stands, but your comment got tone policed in the meantime. As modlog shows, by an admin, and i have strange certainty i know which admin it was.
probably the same who isnt punishing transphobes
I’m gonna have to disagree with you on this one. I really don’t care for a certain admin, but this a mod action, not an admin action, and you did bring saneism into it. That comment wasn’t the appropriate way to refute what was being posted.
If you disagreed, you could argue about it. If you thought it was fake (it was) then you could report it, and in the comments make an argument that sources like that don’t belong. But throwing saneist insults really isn’t the way to go, it is a violation of the rules over there (and over here).
Surprise surprise, someone is being perfectly ok with fake news NATO propaganda
This is disrespecting the image of an historic figure
So I just noticed the fuckers who were transphobic at me got temp-banned.
Guess who’s leaving Lemmy.
So I may have overreacted a little because the modlog is vague and doesn’t state when something is a comm ban and from which comm you’re banned…which seems like necessary info. The admin bans were further down.
So now I look silly but I also have a lemmygrad account :/
So now I look silly but I also have a lemmygrad account :/
Ultimate cringe.
Lemmygrad sounds better and we got a red theme. Maybe it’s a W
Ultimate cringe.
I’m just tired. 😓
I have reading problems and I don’t want to tell you the misunderstandings that has caused me. We’re all guilty of cringe
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Not yet, maybe in the future. You have to create a new account for now.
based, will follow soon inshallah
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Lemmy.ml is a generic instance by the developers. You can hate them all you want, but lemmygrad.ml won’t improve without Lemmy
What do you mean by “lemmygrad won’t improve without lemmy”?
we need a main userbase
The source code of Lemmygrad is greatly improved by the developers of Lemmy, who test/build on Lemmy.ml
“you can’t hurt fascist’s feelings”
Dafuq happened? I was out for a time
Person from sopuli.xyz (Liberal troll instance) posts a sourceless article about the war in ukraine
I comment that satyrical comment
Comment gets tone policed
One of lemmy admins is a liberal and he defends NATO propaganda and is very reluctant of banning rightoid trolls, fash apologists, racists and transphobes. But he heavily tone polices comrades.
In the meantime, in places without tone policing, moderation looks like that.
And whines about being criticised.
Liberals are being liberals
They even banned me!
I missed you btw
Miss you all too. I’m just taking big brakes on political/social media stuff, because I’m a big soft bag of issues, and oh, boi, I do am messed up to the point that I needed to literally cry like a toddler in a corner lol
I myself took a hiatus this past week, the mental strain really does get to ya
