Germany has memorials in Berlin to remember the victims of the Nazi empire. There are no memorials in London to remember the victims of the English empire.
Would also be nice if they haven’t given those Nazi officials jobs and publishing gigs, but okay
Yeah the sudden spike in famous rocket scientists, doctors, politicians, military leaders, etc. with German last names right after WWII isn’t suspicious at all…
There wouldn’t be enough land left for anything else.
true 😃
No they don’t, and they pretend like it’s all so far in the past it shouldn’t matter
The Empire must die
eyyy yer back
Glad to be back
The fact that I was missed or remembered at all makes me happier than you could know. I should keep learning to never doubt my comrades.
you can doubt me a little bit though
okay, just a tiny smidge, but only because you asked.
“We were genocided by the British”
And that’s a full list without even mentioning India
They also left out their significant contributions to the erasure of entire civilizations of people in North America and the Caribbean.
let’s cut through this bs, are you from any of these countries and have any idea of the events? If so, what kind of apology we’re talking about? hit me with specifics
Or you just wanna smear negativity about the country you don’t like? Has your country ever made anything that others could call genocide? What have you done so your officials “apologize” for that?
We do like smearing the British Empire a lot over here
I’m starting to think that capitalist empires committing genocide may be somewhat antithetical with the whole communism thing
are you from any of these countries and have any idea of the events?
@muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml probably does not need reminders (despite being North American), but here they are.
Capitalists have plenty of motives for committing atrocities: making space for more settlers, stealing resources, enforcing homogeneity, eliminating potential competitors, discouraging rebellions; in short, preserving their class at our cost.
If so, what kind of apology we’re talking about? hit me with specifics
An official apology coupled with substantial reparations for the families affected by the atrocities would be a good start. The families should preferably be the ones choosing the reparations.
Or you just wanna smear negativity about the country you don’t like?
I appreciate somebody raising awareness about these largely forgotten atrocities.
Has your country ever made anything that others could call genocide?
What have you done so your officials “apologize” for that?
There’s very little that we, as individuals, can do to get the attention of the ruling class. Informing other lower‐class people about these events is a more logical course of action.
Thank you, this message worth more than the whole tread combined.
Even though I have my questions about mechanics of such reparations, I do appreciate the care for writing the reply out.
Capitalists have plenty of motives for committing atrocities
My main problem with far left as a opposition to capitalism is general lack of concrete ways to achieve claimed moral goals.
Yes, everyone can find flaws in a working system, but can you make your system work in the first place? Everyone can say that the land will belong to the farmer, but can you really give it away and remain in power? No gulags, remember.
Let me state here that I’ve seen real life communism with my own eyes. A loved one of mine died because a Soviet style medical committee didn’t want to contradict their alumni, so I couldn’t get an investigation started.
The collective won over an individual, the peace in group has been sustained, my loved one slowly (over 3yrs) faded away while the committee’d been rescheduling their endless pointless meetings. This is missdocumented mass murder you probably don’t hear a lot about: on your own people for the sake of keeping “harmony”. And that’s the everyday reality where too much power has been put in one place.
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Yeah, mate, go on vilifying me while openly promoting violation of human rights. When millions of your own people tortured, worked to death, and sent to frontlines to die in a useless cause, don’t forget to blame it on me, random stranger on the internet expressing his concerns.
Transporting people there is expensive.
Heard of trains, haven’t you? Also why waste space leaving trains empty on the way back from delivering raw materials, let’s put all the political opposition there.
People rely on remnants of Soviet healthcare to survive, because they wouldn’t be able to afford overpriced privatized healthcare
You should also remember that the people cannot do anything if stuff goes wrong. A nurse puts a bubble into Babushka’s vein, Babushka dies, the clinic protects the nurse, family receives nothing, not even investigation. Drunk therapist kills a patient? No one bats an eye. Intern mixes viles leading to life alterating injuries, it’s fine. I can go on and on how corrupt and dangerous those medical facilities in fact are but the people got no choice either way. Don’t forget who sends the Babushkas pension checks so they cannot afford any second opinion, you’d like them to have all the power, don’t you?
And why are you not crying the inefficiency of the capitalist system, which puts profits above lives of diabetics, for example?
I do, I do open issues and I do work with poor people to improve their quality of life. You apparently just choose to ignore those initiatives.
If revolutionary masses had no ways of achieving their goals, you wouldn’t be seething about their supposed excesses on the internet.
This is flawed argument, there’s no positive relation between Communists impact in achieving their goals and me being skeptical about a particular ideology. If relation exists at all, it’s negative, i.e I actually would like social aspect of communism to succeed, but I ask of Communists to illustrate outstanding quality in their work and willingness to solve problems without going full Stalin. I seek proofs of that work and I will call out the mistakes.
You’ve at most seen socialism
*sigh* how stale this argument is, Soviet Union has funneling it from its origin and yet it’s still here. How many years, Carl, how many millions of lives you’d like to take before you’ll see the communism you seek?
P.S. am not British, have no affiliation to UK, I do not benefit from UK nor intend to in the future, so don’t waste your breath trying to accuse me in bootlicking. Believe it or not, I support calm listing the past injustices (thanks to @AnarchoBolshevik@lemmygrad.ml for sharing the links) so they may be payed back in the future, but this meme ain’t it, chief
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train transportation being expensive
Not to mention that some camps could had been reached only by water paths, like rivers or seas, which by specific geographic position are frozen for the most of an year.
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sigh how stale this argument is, Soviet Union has funneling it from its origin and yet it’s still here. How many years, Carl, how many millions of lives you’d like to take before you’ll see the communism you seek?
As many as it takes
Wow, what a hot take.
Let’s see how you talk when those millions start with your sisters, brothers, parents, grandparents, siblings of all age, school friends, your favourite teachers, your spouse and your own children dying. Some from poor diet, some commit suicide, some by persecution, some just passing out from carriage clogged outgas on the way to a work camp. While some far away elites enjoy power and grand celebration, chosen not by merit, not by knowledge but by luck and bootlicking.
Yes, exactly how it is now but with different flag.
Do your loved ones would like to die as much as you do?
Do you want to attend a funeral of your 5y old daughter?
Can you live last 20 years of your life knowing you inadvertently destroyed lives of all who was true to you?
Yes, you believed and maybe still believe in this but does it matter if there’s not a single soul you care for?
Do you want to attend a funeral of your 5y old daughter?
too far, way too far to bring that into this. but it would be my fault if My make-believe daughter died of starvation in a world with cultivated and collectivized agriculture. IDK what deaths you are putting these under.
Let’s see how you talk when those millions start with your sisters, brothers, parents, grandparents, siblings of all age, school friends, your favourite teachers, your spouse and your own children dying.
all of those people are liberals or make believe. Not really getting at much here. Also, I live in a country occupied by America. The people of Hawaii are treated like shit, and the high and mighty whites have done nothing but band-aid measures to soothe their own conscience. They need some Re-education, and some need to work outside in the world for a change. I did, and it made me grow as a person.
While some far away elites enjoy power and grand celebration, chosen not by merit, not by knowledge but by luck and bootlicking.
comrade, why, in your pursuit to attack Communism, have only made examples of capitalism. You project far too hard comrade.
Do your loved ones would like to die as much as you do?
one of my loved ones willingly did work for the imperialist war machine in Iraq for years, and has never shown regret. He left me to help drone strike children, so why can I not leave them to build a world in which that never happens? They need re-education.
Can you live last 20 years of your life knowing you inadvertently destroyed lives of all who was true to you?
I am more concerned with the 8 billion other people. If I got everyone I loved killed and improved the quality of life for the 3rd world, and freed the country that is occupied, I would be sad, but I consider it a price worth paying.
Yes, you believed and maybe still believe in this but does it matter if there’s not a single soul you care for?
My work shall be judged after I die, and if it has benefited humanity or not, is all I care about. You think I do this because I like “the team”. I think you misjudged my devotion to the cause for a better humanity, and my willingness to see it through.
I don’t get the point you’re making.
This meme is cringy cancer. It’s both useless, superficial and an insult to the joke it stole (“are we the baddies?” by wkuk). It’s trying to make some kind of point with so low effort and shallow logic, it makes my eyes hurt.
I mean, OP hates UK, fine. Take your bloody time, put some care into the meme, take the reason why you hate UK, make a twist, heck, maybe even write a joke :wow:
But nope, OP decided that typing two words in google and stealing a joke is good enough ~ and the crowd cheered him up. Thank you all of you for upvoting this garbage so that OP could bring you more.
Seems pretty obvious op doesn’t like the UK because of all the genocides they never apologized for. The fact that it riled up an mi5 agent like yourself proves it was both effective and low effort.
“Take your bloody time”
Lmao ya fucking britbong
Go touch grass
Brits kill millions of ppl around the globe
You: “Pointing that out is spreading negativity!!!”
Brits are truly the most uneducated people on the planet.
Yeah, intentionally misreading and insulting other side is definitely right way to approach criticism. Good job
Let me know when you actually ready to talk constructively
Being from North America your time would be much better spent persuading your officials to accept the blame with their own crimes. Yet here you are, posting about the events you’re so much removed, you’re incapable to do anything productive. Very convenient position, isn’t it?
Being from North America your time would be much better spent persuading your officials to accept the blame with their own crimes.
Thats literally the vast majority of what we do. We consider the US the enemy above all else. You are the one defending the genocide empire. They will not say sorry though, so we will make them “repent”.
This comment wasn’t addressed to you. You on other hand probably could help your local government become more independent from US.
Mate, don’t waste your time here, go on and improve the life around you. I’m not sitting in your local council rejecting a proposal on localized production, but you do spend time arguing with me
You on other hand probably could help your local government become more independent from US.
Impossible without direct revolution
Although I doubt that, how about to organize this direct revolution and unite your comrades?
For example recruitment to a communist party from your local area goes a long way into achieving the goals. The first thing is to register in the party yourself, learn the ropes a lil and then you could start recruiting people.
Do not tell me what I already know
I am Irish. I can detail centuries of oppression, division of a country, genocide etc. But it will take a long time.
Are you from any of these places ?, if not state your country.
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