Thanks, re-shared it. Not the first time ProtonMail pulled such a stunt. They care so much about marketing that they write each time something happened their little blog post to make them look better and pretend everyone else is wrong.
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Fuck i’ve spent so much effort moving all my things to my protonmail address, many of them on alias addresses i only get with my paid account
I’m thinking hard on my next major email move being to one on my own domain for this reason. That way I’m not tied to any one email provider. Most email providers allow you to use your own domain (usually as part of a paid account), or I can always self host.
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If you don’t want to run your own email server, you might want to look into using Migadu. A quick note is that I don’t use use Migadu personally, but I’ve heard great things about it from Drew DeVault.
I just use Tutanota.com, they didn’t seem to have any overt controversary as of yet. But I still would only use Matrix, or XMPP for the TOTALLY private stuff. Email was just not designed to be encrypted.
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I’ve never been a fan of ProtonMail, but this is just disappointing.
pretty damn hypocritical
Njalla published today a story about New York Times
https://njal.la/blog/about-those-threats/
Njalla has credibility and there is no doubt that Proton requested it.
Evidence is provided
This is really disappointing.
wait, what am I missing here? are we going with a screenshot of text from the creator of the site? is this all we need these days? not even a email validity test?
Screenshots can easily be forged. It could all be true but at least provide more than just a screenshot of a text.
I’m not sure why Njalla would ruin their reputation to make up a lie about proton. They’re not even competitors really.
I find it much harder to believe that njalla is going to destroy their extremely well-regarded and trustworthy business in order to bad-mouth proton with a fake screenshot than proton is doing more sketchy stuff.
To be fair, last time we got news of Protonmail “doing sketchy stuff”, it turned out they weren’t storing anyone’s IPs at all until a government body demanded they to do it for the specific targets, and well, they still gotta follow the law. So well, I think it’s reasonable to have just a little bit of trust on Protonmail too whenever the next bad news pops up.
it turned out they weren’t storing anyone’s IPs at all until a government body demanded they to do it for the specific targets, and well, they still gotta follow the law.
Here’s the thing. People mostly weren’t mad that they were forced to do this, but rather they very heavily implied in their marketing that they don’t store IP addresses ever, despite knowing that they may well be obligated to in certain cases.
(co-/)creator of @njal_la, @Flattr, @IpredatorVPN, @TPBdotORG, @KonstHack etc.
I don’t know the details and I didn’t mean they were lying. Just that it could be a forged email not directly from Proton. I agree this looks very bad for Proton. it’s just that I noticed the creator of Njalla is also the (co)owner of IPredatorVPN.
I hope more details come out.
Welcome to the internet 🎶
- Njalla didn’t publish the original request.
- Nobody will say who they’re requesting the data of.
- Nobody can provide the original blog post.
There’s no evidence that this actually happened.
