Some real joker shit happening in here.
Lemmy.ml admin who banned him here: Not sure I have that much to add to the convo, but I will say I’m really disappointed at this. Still think the ban should have been upheld but the admin that reversed it outranks me so my hands are kinda tied.
Thank you for your service 🙏
You did your best. That’s all we can ask of you.
This is fucking ridiculous.
I’m sorry but how can you be that immature and stupid?
“Oh they should be allowed to recruit bigots and engage provided they don’t say anything that breaks the rules” - morons in that thread
Infantile stupidity.
AgreeableLandscapes even gave a very clear argument (with precedent) for why the ban was justified. But I guess nutomic is in charge of liberalization
Edit: There’s even a convo on wolfballs where nutomic tells a maga chud that their ban was reversed, they shouldn’t get banned again, and if they do nutomic will have another “talk” with the admins and get it reversed. What the fuck is going on over there
Nutomic is clearly a moron, that much is sure. Whether they are crypto-fascist or just a sympathetic to them to try and grow lemmy is meaningless when they are now aiding in the growth or a far right instance.
Pathetic behaviour.
I thought you and @TheConquestOfBed@lemmy.ml both made more than clear the position only to have someone accuse conquest of being a pedophile which I noticed wasn’t taken down.
Clearly the line on lemmy is if you aren’t asking for literal violence against someone it’s fine to enable and encourage the vile rhetoric designed to dehumanise minorities leading to violence. Fucking peak lemmy.
Don’t even get me started on comfy and there “it’s disturbingly racist to say you can’t be racist to white people” nonsense ideology. That entire instance is so high on their own ego, self importance and ignorance they couldn’t find their nose in the dark if I broke it for them.
Liberal shithole is just fascist pipeline nexus with extra self delusion.
You’re allowed to @ me Ratto. But also, preach!
Apologies didn’t even think to, too angry ngl after reading the brain melting levels of stupidity in that thread.
I think it’s time for a c/shitlemmysays board because there’s too much fuckery going on not to record and fool on it.
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@AgreeableLandscape@lemmygrad.ml
For the record this was not my idea.
Made it, comment and I’ll mod you there Ratto
I don’t know if I want to be the mod for such a provocative board especially if the common consensus is that its not worth it.
If we defederate then sure but there’s a lot of compelling arguments for remaining federated and I don’t want to obfuscate that by pushing buttons that are best left unpushed for now. We will see.
I feel like this would be redundant with shitliberalssay or shitfascistssay, no? IDK, I tend to be a lumper for communities.
shitliberalssay or shitfascistssay
Would probably be mostly twitter and Reddit posts
There’s even a convo on wolfballs where nutomic tells a maga chud that their ban was reversed, they shouldn’t get banned again, and if they do nutomic will have another “talk” with the admins and get it reversed. What the fuck is going on over there
Could we get a screenshot for the record?
I feel like I poisoned my CPU by going on that site. Cloroxing my PC now.
Me too, fucking hell. The whole “wolfballs isn’t fascist” excuse is bollocks, they’ve clearly stated they send fascists their way, because it’s “less work for them”
I don’t have enough clown emoji to adequately convey how this person acts.
Try this one:
I’m pretty sure Nutomic is German, so this fits perfectly actually
chefs kiss
I KNOW, RIGHT???
Fuckin UwU I’m a smol bean who doesn’t understand what transphobia is. By the way, you’re a pedophile lmao.
I saw that and had to close the thread.
Rules for thee and not for me on lemmy. Oh what’s that? A ML with lived experience is telling you how homophobia and transpjobia works? As a cis liberal chauvinist let me debate you and your rights and experience.
Oh someone’s literally called a member of the lgbtq+ community a pedophile parroting the same dangerous rhetoric that led to violence and killings of lgbtq+ by right wing reactionaries? They sleep.
Remember when I got banned for calling someone a dickhead? Yet calling someone a pedophile given the context above is apparently okay according to the world’s most centrist and milquetoast dickhead.
world’s most centrist and milquetoast dickhead.
No, that’s not accurate.
What do we call a person who:
- defends fascists with all their might
- closes their eyes when they see racism, transphobia, homophobia, etcetera etcetera
- constantly denies that the preceding point occurs, even when presented with evidence
- bends the rules to defend fascists, and punish anti-fascists
- tells fascists that they will “have a talk” with the admins who took out the trash
I think it starts with ‘F’ and ends with ‘T’
As the old adage goes “scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds” and we are watching the live personification of that quote in action.
Ew. You want reddit? This is how you get reddit. Fash need to be hounded off with extreme zeal.
Yeah, I get the feeling @dessalines@lemmy.ml and @nutomic@lemmy.ml have never dealt with wreckers before. This guy is a really amateur low-tier fash and he could break the site by himself in a matter of weeks if he wanted to. They’re pretty obviously not equipped to handle it.
Nutomic: wolfballs isn’t obviously fascist, you need proof cause I don’t see any
Also nutomic: I also promote wolfballs on here because instead of just banning bigots I like to give them a helping hand in finding a place where they can radicalize farther
I’m getting a little worried that he’s cryptofash. You can’t be that willfully blind, can you?
Admins a “leftist” instance, upset that leftists hate maga chuds
They say “centrist” but then want to find a middle ground between an instance that is sucdem at best and an instance that is far-right while pretending to be the opposite. Hilarious.
They seek the centre between Mussolini and Hitler lmao
Wants “nonpolitical” “centrist” instance - however you look at it, that’s just liberal.
because hating racists and excluding them from your website is “extreme”
What fucking rules are these where fascists are allowed to promote their stupid fucking instance, but calling a fascist “a piece of shit” isn’t, because “that’s mean :'(”
liberalism
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That’s what I’m saying! Nutomic keeps being obtuse about it and acting like they don’t know what I’m asking for, but I’m literally not asking for policing of off-site activities or for rules to change. I’m saying the current rules are anti-bigotry, and I do not see at all how promoting a bigot website is not a violation of those rules.
What the fuck
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Oh wow I just googled toki ma, that’s so cool!! Is it an attempt at a new lingua franca? I wanna learn it now 😭
The plot thickens 🤔 only they themselves can tell us spooky music plays
You probably can, it’s only got around 200 words
Well now I can’t!! 😤
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It sounds it!
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I didn’t think of that. They didn’t seem to be hiding it based on some of their comments, but I’ve deleted my comments to be safe. Pinging @Ottar@lemmygrad.ml if you want to do the same for your first reply
What reply 👀
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I don’t really be on Lemmy but what the fuck is going on over there.
Liberalism
You misspelled “fascism”
Both are accepted spellings
Scratch a liberal yadda yadda
I would like to personally thank @AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml and @yogthos@lemmy.ml for being the only sane parts of that godforsaken place.
👍
I do love some AgreeableLandscape and yogthos posting
Leftism is when you have the nazi hang out as long as he promises only to do white supremacy when you’re not looking
Leftism is when you enable the growth of right wing fascist instances because of your enlightened centrism (fasicst sympathies) and the more fash you funnel to wolfballs the more leftist you are. - lemmy
I never really go to lemmy but recently it’s looked pretty similar to Reddit 😱
There are some really cool people on lemmy, but uh…yeah it has taken a swift turn for the worst
Do you think we will ever have to de-federate? Apologies if that’s not the right terminology.
Hmmm, I dunno, lemmy.ml is one of the best vectors for finding really cool people and getting them to come here and chat with us. But it really seems like billing lemmy.ml as “leftist” is pretty misleading.
Easy peasy to just stick to looking at the lemmygrad stuff and ignore this nonsense, but the problem then is that those places get pulled farther and farther right. We’re already considered “extreme” to a lot of people, if lemmy.ml pulls farther right they’ll be the ones defederating from us
Edit to add: more and more I agree with comrade Awoo that hexbear’s reintegration will be crucial to keeping things actually leftist
It’s bullshit to ignore a mask off fascist because he’s “nice here” but even if you were gross enough to ignore people like that because you don’t “police off-site activity” (which like, so what, Gavin McInnes can log on and as long as he’s nice he gets to stay???) how do you ignore that he actively plugs and recruits for wolfballs on lemmy.ml??
Like everytime someone says some bigoted shit and people get mad, there he is in the comments, telling them they have a safe space on wolfballs. How is it Leftist to let your platform be a source of recruitment for the fascist echo chamber?
Exactlyyyyyyyyyyy
@nutomic@lemmy.ml see above for a more succinct answer than the one I gave you.
I’ve previously been against defederating, but seeing one of the main lemmy.ml admins defend fascists and actively promote a fascist instance has made me change my mind.
I genuinely don’t think there’s any way to salvage that instance.
I have one argument personally against de-federating, and that is we still dominate the all page, and if we can spread that message. I don’t think we can convert many people, but I do think that we can get some who stumble across Marxism Leninism, and that is something I think is valuable.
Yeah, if you look at lemmy main page and set it to all, then most threads and nearly all active ones come from lemmygrad. And from those not from lemmygrad most are posted by Yogthos. Lemmy literally have one guy providing 75% of content.
Yeah, fuck all that
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No more idealism will bring bright future, you got to make your hands dirty, hackle some reactionaries, kick some fash butts.
Absolute betrayal
This is a good way to do discount hexbear emotes
I think that one of the main goals of lemmy is getting people out of the claws of corporate, cia social media like reddit.
The less people on reddit, the weaker the usa mind control apparatus gets.
However, for this to work, there need to be instances for those kinds of people that are on reddit.
Most of them won’t know how federation works and will land on lemmy.ml. If they can’t be sent to an instance that fits them, they would probably go back to reddit, or something similar, which would go against that goal.
That said, the ban reason makes total sense.
The way I see it, if someone doesn’t “fit into” lemmy.ml, you can always say, “hey, go to join-lemmy.org and find an instance better suited to you or start your own” And they will find wolfballs. It’s right there on that site, it’s not hidden or anything.
But lemmy.ml itself is an instance that claims leftism and a ban on bigotry. And plugging wolfballs in the comments violates that. Like, if I made a racist blog about phrenology and then posted it in the lemmy.ml comments and said it was a super cool and inviting safe space for everyone…do I get banned? I never put the phrenology stuff in the lemmy.ml comments, so according to the line of thinking of the ban reversal, I would be cool to keep advertising away. And what it leads to is, you can say whatever rule violating stuff you want as long as you link to it in the comments and don’t type it in directly
You don’t even have to look at it from a bash the fash perspective (though you should). Just looking at it from a purely debatebro “follow the rules” perspective, that account should be banned.
The way I see it, if someone doesn’t “fit into” lemmy.ml, you can always say, “hey, go to join-lemmy.org and find an instance better suited to you or start your own”
That seems like a good solution.
getting people out of the claws of corporate, cia social media like reddit.
The less people on reddit, the weaker the usa mind control apparatus gets.
Poor chance when libs swarm it and bring the mind control apparatus with them.
