Just so we’re all clear on that.
I’m not sure where else to post this, but an announcement and it’s important. Feel free to remove this if it really doesn’t belong.
but muh freedums
Not sure if you’re meme-ing but shutting the world down over this is a massive overreaction. Wash your hands, stay in reasonably good health and don’t be reckless. If you are in poor health take the necessary precautions. The way all of this is being handled is setting an terrible precedent that will inevitably be used to strip people of personal liberties in the future.
I disagree
Go on.
I’m fully vaccinated now (more than 2 weeks past the 2nd booster shot). I was wearing the mask and social distancing at work for the past year. Now I only wear the mask if I’m out in public and people don’t know I’m vaccinated or people aren’t socially distancing at work around me.
People can still spread it if vaccinated, but the risk is much lower. About a dozen people tested positive around me at work last year and I made it through the exposure without catching it.
I did the antibody test and the Covid-19 test prior to getting vaccinated. Both were negative which seems like a miracle. The 2nd vaccination shot kicked my @## and I had to stay out of work 3 days.
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^ This mentality right here is why the US has had so many cases
I’ve removed it so as to reduce the spread of COVID-19 misinformation.
Keep up the good work admins
good work admins
I really don’t know when censorship became this new awesome idea that people cheer for on the sidelines.
The person was spreading rhetoric downplaying the COVID-19 pandemic, in the US of all places. I hardly care if they’re censored for dangerous rhetoric like that, especially on a random forum online.
Random forums online used to be where people had conversations freely. Instead even FOSS projects are mimicking failed social networks that editorialize to block out all but a certain viewpoint. I probably agree with that guy. I DO think that this is all over-hyped and we’re stopping the world for something that has a mortality rate similar to a bad flu season. But of course conversations are stopped before they are started just so people can jerk themselves off and feel good for ‘saving somebody from misinformation’. Give me a break. If the Lemmy project has proved anything to me in this thread it’s that the Reddit ‘consensus’ model just promotes mediocre discussion where variants from the norm are blotted out.
Is removing it fair though? I feel like downvoting to oblivion is a better way to do it… I wanted to know what this guy said, now I’ll never know haha
You can still see it in the modlog. Most removed content isn’t deleted from the server. COVID-19 is no joke and I want to minimize the chances of people getting the wrong idea and putting themselves and others at risk.
Sure… no problem. How do you access the mod log? By the way, the only issue I had was then like if the mods saw an opinion they did not like, then is it right for them to remove it for misinformation? I don’t know the rules for removal. My only rule for removal would be if the commenter was genuinely threatening someone on the site… but that’s just me.
Wow. I have to say… “factually incorrect” is not really fitting here. Not at all. I don’t agree with what the user said, but the user simply gave his personal opinion. There was no statement that could have even been “factually incorrect”, or “misinformation”. I don’t think we should must wear masks is just a personal statement. Nothing to be “factually incorrect” or “misinformation” there.
Also, as a side note: If everybody can see the comment in the modlog, why remove it here? As you can see, people are curious to know what has been said, and they will take a look.
I have to say… “factually incorrect” is not really fitting here. Not at all.
Every medical professional from China to Europe to the US says that COVID-19 is a major threat to life and that its effects have not been exaggerated (many even claim it’s been downplayed in most of the world), and every medical professional says that masks and social distancing are vital to slowing down the pandemic. What qualifications does this person have to say that “Corona, by the information that I know, has been blown out of proportion”?
@Duel@lemmy.ml, are you able to provide any reputable and properly scientific sources that say that COVID-19 is no big deal or that masks and social distancing are not necessary? If you want sources supporting masks and social distancing, here.
Every medical professional from China to Europe to the US says that COVID-19 is a major threat to life
Not literally everybody, but I agree that the scientific consensus is that we should be wary and avoid spreading the virus to people who are prone to suffer significant consequences until we know more or have a cure of any sort, so that lives can be saved.
However…
and that its effects have not been exaggerated
That is absolutely not something that any scientist would have ever said. I’m sure that you can see what I mean.
What qualifications does this person have to say that “Corona, by the information that I know, has been blown out of proportion”?
Please take a closer look at the statement. I’m rather sure that I understand what kind of interpretation you had in your mind while reading it, but ultimately, this is not an absolute nor a quantifiable statement. It is a relative statement, and without the context it can’t be “wrong” or “right”. We have to know what the user exactly means with that in order to be able to understand the statement in the way it was made.
In Sweden for example, the government and the citizens think that nobody should be legally obliged to wear a mask. People still do it. Stating that nobody should be forced to wear a mask it not the same as stating that “Corona is all a lie” or something.
I can’t tell you how disappointing it is to try and use a FOSS alternative to Reddit just to see comments deleted because the mod disagrees. Literally hall monitor tactics. FREE SPEECH isn’t a joke and if it’s truly free it isn’t conditional. Having enough faith in people to develop their own opinions isn’t a joke either. Don’t know what this guy said but it deserves to stand and be judged on it’s own merits or lack thereof.
No, it’s not fair.
It was not covid misinformation-? Also, there was no point in deleting it if people can still see it easily. I was just sharing my opinion. The federal and state governments cannot force us to wear masks. If a business wants people who enter their doors to wear a mask, then that is the individual businesses right, not the government. If you want to wear a mask, or the business you are entering wants you to wear a mask, then wear it. This is not misinformation. I will not get into my other opinions about covid, as I am sure you would hate them.
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the onus should be on OP to back up their uncited claim
Gladly!
News outlets:
https://time.com/5846288/social-distancing-face-masks-covid/
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/health/review-masks-social-distancing-covid-19-wellness/index.html
Papers:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext (the actual paper referenced in many news articles)
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0239025
CDC:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover-guidance.html
Also interesting how you didn’t call on @Duel to back up their claims that COVID-19 has been blown out of proportion or that masks and social distancing are unnecessary.
Also interesting how you didn’t call on @Duel to back up their claims
Lets assume there were any claims in the comment: If you ask me, removing a comment of other users is a substantially different thing than adding your own comment. Of course should the former be backed up, and the latter can just stand on its own.
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For more “benign” types of misinformation, outright removing it might not be appropriate, but misinformation about a potentially deadly disease can get people hurt or killed if someone decides to head it.
1: I never claimed that masks do not work, I said that people should not be forced to wear masks by the government. That is just my opinion.
2: On the subject of social distancing, I also believe that the government cannot enforce it, but individuals and businesses can. If someone asks you to step back, or it is mandated by the business you are entering into (let’s say Walmart), then respect that and do it, even if you do not agree with them.
3: The death rate (at least in the US) for Covid is 2.5% (per 100,000) while the flu is 3.4% (per 100,000) My information may be wrong, and I would be happy if you corrected it, but from what I know of, Covid is statistically less deadly than the flu.
Literally all I am saying is that the government should not enforce a mask mandate/social distancing, but that businesses/individuals should if they want to, and that we have blown Covid out of proportion. Respect my opinions please, and follow your own rules (rule #2).
Sources:
I never claimed that masks do not work, I said that people should not be forced to wear masks by the government. That is just my opinion.
That’s what Sweden does. Nobody is forced to wear one in Swede, and nobody is forced to distance himself from others. Of course people are still doing it, and the government is giving out recommendations and updates them according to the current situation.
If the chief epidemiologist of Sweden would comment here, would his comments also be removed because his comments could kill people?
3: The death rate (at least in the US) for Covid is 2.5% (per 100,000) while the flu is 3.4% (per 100,000) My information may be wrong, and I would be happy if you corrected it, but from what I know of, Covid is statistically less deadly than the flu.
Sorry, but I take issue with this argument. The mortality rate isn’t and never was the problem with COVID-19, the infectiousness is! When’s the last time the whole world was infected with the flu at the same time?
I never claimed that masks do not work, I said that people should not be forced to wear masks by the government. That is just my opinion.
And now this person, who said this exact thing, is banned for this reason:
Trolling, being pro-trump, telling people not to wear a mask during the pandemic.
What the fuck is going on with you guys here? I really love the software Lemmy for what it is: FOSS. That’s great.
But the people behind it are the absolute worst FOSS devs I’ve ever met, and also one of the worst moderators I’ve ever came accross. This exact behavior was the reason to search for alternatives for Reddit. And now, we have that here as well.
I know, this is their instance, and as another user here said: Their instance, their rules. I understand and agree. But I just wanted to give my opinion.
I think Trump is an absolutely awful person and it is a bad thing that someone like him is the president of any country. But on the other hand, people banning other people for being “Pro-Trump” is equally awful. I mean it. It’s the same shit, just from the opposite side.
The worst thing here is: I don’t even know if it is true that the user is “Pro-Trump”. I know that the “don’t wear masks” bit is not true, very apparently so, so I can only surmise that the other statements are equally thought through and truthful. This is an absolutely shitty job for a moderator.
Holy shit. Seriously. I’m flabbergasted how awful people can be. If you want, you can ban me, because I don’t think I want to be around in this instance anymore. Not if one can’t speak his mind without breaking the rules but still has to fear being banned because of opinions.
Thanks. I am fine with you disagreeing with me, but I do not like the mods deleting my posts because my opinion differs from theirs.
Interesting that this post still gets downvotes, despite being “removed”.
