• AgreeableLandscapeOP
    93·
    4 years ago

    I have to say… “factually incorrect” is not really fitting here. Not at all.

    Every medical professional from China to Europe to the US says that COVID-19 is a major threat to life and that its effects have not been exaggerated (many even claim it’s been downplayed in most of the world), and every medical professional says that masks and social distancing are vital to slowing down the pandemic. What qualifications does this person have to say that “Corona, by the information that I know, has been blown out of proportion”?

    @Duel@lemmy.ml, are you able to provide any reputable and properly scientific sources that say that COVID-19 is no big deal or that masks and social distancing are not necessary? If you want sources supporting masks and social distancing, here.

    • Stoned_Ape
      35·
      4 years ago

      Every medical professional from China to Europe to the US says that COVID-19 is a major threat to life

      Not literally everybody, but I agree that the scientific consensus is that we should be wary and avoid spreading the virus to people who are prone to suffer significant consequences until we know more or have a cure of any sort, so that lives can be saved.

      However…

      and that its effects have not been exaggerated

      That is absolutely not something that any scientist would have ever said. I’m sure that you can see what I mean.

      What qualifications does this person have to say that “Corona, by the information that I know, has been blown out of proportion”?

      Please take a closer look at the statement. I’m rather sure that I understand what kind of interpretation you had in your mind while reading it, but ultimately, this is not an absolute nor a quantifiable statement. It is a relative statement, and without the context it can’t be “wrong” or “right”. We have to know what the user exactly means with that in order to be able to understand the statement in the way it was made.

      In Sweden for example, the government and the citizens think that nobody should be legally obliged to wear a mask. People still do it. Stating that nobody should be forced to wear a mask it not the same as stating that “Corona is all a lie” or something.

        • Stoned_Ape
          23·
          4 years ago

          As I said in a different comment: Thanks for the link! Something very interesting can be seen there. Countries which mandate masks still have higher numbers. It’s almost as if just comparing simple numbers isn’t showing the whole picture of the situation…

          • DessalinesMA
            41·
            4 years ago

            Countries which mandate masks still have higher numbers.

            This isn’t true at all; the countries with the best covid responses are China, Taiwan, Vietnam, etc which put entire regions on lockdown w/ very strict mask rules.

            • k_o_t
              42·
              4 years ago

              the countries with the best covid responses are China, Taiwan, Vietnam, etc

              ok, i’m not necessarily saying that these countries don’t have the best responses to coronavirus, they very well might have, we can’t tell with absolute certainty, however, i think you should consider the rather suspicious inverse correlation between the number of coronavirus cases per 1 million people and journalistic freedom index and government corruption index

              (this isn’t the case for all countries of course, but it is for many of the “best” responders to coronavirus)

            • Stoned_Ape
              12·
              4 years ago

              This isn’t true at all

              Seriously? Why the fuck would you say something like that?

              the countries with the best covid responses are China, Taiwan, Vietnam, etc which put entire regions on lockdown w/ very strict mask rules.

              That may be so, but that is not what we are talking about here. What you’re saying here doesn’t prove nor disprove my statement above.

              What the fuck are you talking about?

                • Stoned_Ape
                  21·
                  4 years ago

                  As someone who has been in one of those mentioned asian countries since before the crisis and seen the response first hand while also keeping in touch with my western family I can say the comparison is apples to oranges. 100% the best covid response (including mask usage) and a dozen lessons to learn but the approach needs to evaluated comprehensively.

                  I absolutely don’t disagree with that.

                  My beef though isn’t with covid opinions or data interpretations, its with silencing dissent heavy-handedly without warning. Imo, much more dangerous than a teenager spouting garbage.

                  And with twisting of the words of others on top of it. I agree. This kind of moderation is way more problematic than the problem that it is meant to fight.