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Democracy doesn’t just apply to states or how elections are run: were that true, there would be no democratic workplaces.

That’s what I meant with “in broader terms”. It would really be nice if you read my complete comments, and not just fragments of it.

I have no clue why you keep on responding in this conversation or what your endgame is here.

Maybe I just want to talk about this. I don’t need an “endgame”, nor do you. If you think I have an endgame or agenda, it’s no wonder that you misinterpret my comments like that.


What I am saying is that majorities can support fascism.

Of course. This is what I said:

It wouldn’t be fascist if the majority of people are on board, and the rules are fair, useful and are for everyone.

What I said isn’t just about the majority. It’s also about the rules being fair, useful and for everyone.

Just because 50%+1 agree with something does not make it democratic

If the votes were free and informed, then that’s literally what democracy is.

democracy supports minority rights

Democracy really is just a way to vote on a government, or in broader terms to participate in defining ones society. That government is making such rules as this, but only because the majority wants these rules. In a perfect democracy, the government wouldn’t do anything that the majority doesn’t want. Democracy isn’t a moral agent. The public is the agent.


I was referring to democracy with “majority”. I’m not sure what you understood from my first comment. I really have no idea what you’re talking about.


So democracy is facist? If more than 50%, or even 90+% of people are in favor of something, it’s suddenly fascist?



It wouldn’t be fascist if the majority of people are on board, and the rules are fair, useful and are for everyone. It would only be facist if it would be made in a fascist way.


Unfortunately, both sides radicalize.

Sadly true.

As far as I know, only one supports cutting off genitalia.

Huh? Why would you say something like that?



As someone who has been in one of those mentioned asian countries since before the crisis and seen the response first hand while also keeping in touch with my western family I can say the comparison is apples to oranges. 100% the best covid response (including mask usage) and a dozen lessons to learn but the approach needs to evaluated comprehensively.

I absolutely don’t disagree with that.

My beef though isn’t with covid opinions or data interpretations, its with silencing dissent heavy-handedly without warning. Imo, much more dangerous than a teenager spouting garbage.

And with twisting of the words of others on top of it. I agree. This kind of moderation is way more problematic than the problem that it is meant to fight.


This isn’t true at all

Seriously? Why the fuck would you say something like that?

the countries with the best covid responses are China, Taiwan, Vietnam, etc which put entire regions on lockdown w/ very strict mask rules.

That may be so, but that is not what we are talking about here. What you’re saying here doesn’t prove nor disprove my statement above.

What the fuck are you talking about?


As I said in a different comment: Thanks for the link! Something very interesting can be seen there. Countries which mandate masks still have higher numbers. It’s almost as if just comparing simple numbers isn’t showing the whole picture of the situation…


Thanks for the link! Something very interesting can be seen there. Countries which mandate masks still have higher numbers. It’s almost as if just comparing simple numbers isn’t showing the whole picture of the situation…


I never claimed that masks do not work, I said that people should not be forced to wear masks by the government. That is just my opinion.

And now this person, who said this exact thing, is banned for this reason:

Trolling, being pro-trump, telling people not to wear a mask during the pandemic.

What the fuck is going on with you guys here? I really love the software Lemmy for what it is: FOSS. That’s great.

But the people behind it are the absolute worst FOSS devs I’ve ever met, and also one of the worst moderators I’ve ever came accross. This exact behavior was the reason to search for alternatives for Reddit. And now, we have that here as well.

I know, this is their instance, and as another user here said: Their instance, their rules. I understand and agree. But I just wanted to give my opinion.

I think Trump is an absolutely awful person and it is a bad thing that someone like him is the president of any country. But on the other hand, people banning other people for being “Pro-Trump” is equally awful. I mean it. It’s the same shit, just from the opposite side.

The worst thing here is: I don’t even know if it is true that the user is “Pro-Trump”. I know that the “don’t wear masks” bit is not true, very apparently so, so I can only surmise that the other statements are equally thought through and truthful. This is an absolutely shitty job for a moderator.

Holy shit. Seriously. I’m flabbergasted how awful people can be. If you want, you can ban me, because I don’t think I want to be around in this instance anymore. Not if one can’t speak his mind without breaking the rules but still has to fear being banned because of opinions.


Also interesting how you didn’t call on @Duel to back up their claims

Lets assume there were any claims in the comment: If you ask me, removing a comment of other users is a substantially different thing than adding your own comment. Of course should the former be backed up, and the latter can just stand on its own.


I never claimed that masks do not work, I said that people should not be forced to wear masks by the government. That is just my opinion.

That’s what Sweden does. Nobody is forced to wear one in Swede, and nobody is forced to distance himself from others. Of course people are still doing it, and the government is giving out recommendations and updates them according to the current situation.

If the chief epidemiologist of Sweden would comment here, would his comments also be removed because his comments could kill people?


Every medical professional from China to Europe to the US says that COVID-19 is a major threat to life

Not literally everybody, but I agree that the scientific consensus is that we should be wary and avoid spreading the virus to people who are prone to suffer significant consequences until we know more or have a cure of any sort, so that lives can be saved.

However…

and that its effects have not been exaggerated

That is absolutely not something that any scientist would have ever said. I’m sure that you can see what I mean.

What qualifications does this person have to say that “Corona, by the information that I know, has been blown out of proportion”?

Please take a closer look at the statement. I’m rather sure that I understand what kind of interpretation you had in your mind while reading it, but ultimately, this is not an absolute nor a quantifiable statement. It is a relative statement, and without the context it can’t be “wrong” or “right”. We have to know what the user exactly means with that in order to be able to understand the statement in the way it was made.

In Sweden for example, the government and the citizens think that nobody should be legally obliged to wear a mask. People still do it. Stating that nobody should be forced to wear a mask it not the same as stating that “Corona is all a lie” or something.


Interesting that this post still gets downvotes, despite being “removed”.


Wow. I have to say… “factually incorrect” is not really fitting here. Not at all. I don’t agree with what the user said, but the user simply gave his personal opinion. There was no statement that could have even been “factually incorrect”, or “misinformation”. I don’t think we should must wear masks is just a personal statement. Nothing to be “factually incorrect” or “misinformation” there.

Also, as a side note: If everybody can see the comment in the modlog, why remove it here? As you can see, people are curious to know what has been said, and they will take a look.


I don’t think there is any metric that would show that the slur filter is working how it is presented here.