• AgreeableLandscapeOP
      41·
      4 years ago

      the onus should be on OP to back up their uncited claim

      Gladly!

      News outlets:

      https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/face-masks-do-not-replace-social-distancing-why_l_5e970b37c5b65eae709d3fc7

      https://people.com/health/social-distancing-masks-effective-reducing-coronavirus-spread-study-confirms/

      https://time.com/5846288/social-distancing-face-masks-covid/

      https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/health/review-masks-social-distancing-covid-19-wellness/index.html

      Papers:

      https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext (the actual paper referenced in many news articles)

      https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0239025

      CDC:

      https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover-guidance.html

      Also interesting how you didn’t call on @Duel to back up their claims that COVID-19 has been blown out of proportion or that masks and social distancing are unnecessary.

      • Stoned_Ape
        31·
        4 years ago

        Also interesting how you didn’t call on @Duel to back up their claims

        Lets assume there were any claims in the comment: If you ask me, removing a comment of other users is a substantially different thing than adding your own comment. Of course should the former be backed up, and the latter can just stand on its own.

        • AgreeableLandscapeOP
          43·
          4 years ago

          For more “benign” types of misinformation, outright removing it might not be appropriate, but misinformation about a potentially deadly disease can get people hurt or killed if someone decides to head it.

      • Duel
        25·
        4 years ago

        1: I never claimed that masks do not work, I said that people should not be forced to wear masks by the government. That is just my opinion.

        2: On the subject of social distancing, I also believe that the government cannot enforce it, but individuals and businesses can. If someone asks you to step back, or it is mandated by the business you are entering into (let’s say Walmart), then respect that and do it, even if you do not agree with them.

        3: The death rate (at least in the US) for Covid is 2.5% (per 100,000) while the flu is 3.4% (per 100,000) My information may be wrong, and I would be happy if you corrected it, but from what I know of, Covid is statistically less deadly than the flu.

        Literally all I am saying is that the government should not enforce a mask mandate/social distancing, but that businesses/individuals should if they want to, and that we have blown Covid out of proportion. Respect my opinions please, and follow your own rules (rule #2).

        Sources:

        https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

        https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/flu.htm

        • Stoned_Ape
          4·
          4 years ago

          I never claimed that masks do not work, I said that people should not be forced to wear masks by the government. That is just my opinion.

          That’s what Sweden does. Nobody is forced to wear one in Swede, and nobody is forced to distance himself from others. Of course people are still doing it, and the government is giving out recommendations and updates them according to the current situation.

          If the chief epidemiologist of Sweden would comment here, would his comments also be removed because his comments could kill people?

            • Stoned_Ape
              23·
              4 years ago

              Thanks for the link! Something very interesting can be seen there. Countries which mandate masks still have higher numbers. It’s almost as if just comparing simple numbers isn’t showing the whole picture of the situation…

              • Manmoth
                13·
                4 years ago

                lmao exactly. It’s almost like being exposed to a disease and getting over it is a natural way to build resistance.

          • Duel
            11·
            4 years ago

            deleted by creator

        • onlooker
          2·
          4 years ago

          3: The death rate (at least in the US) for Covid is 2.5% (per 100,000) while the flu is 3.4% (per 100,000) My information may be wrong, and I would be happy if you corrected it, but from what I know of, Covid is statistically less deadly than the flu.

          Sorry, but I take issue with this argument. The mortality rate isn’t and never was the problem with COVID-19, the infectiousness is! When’s the last time the whole world was infected with the flu at the same time?

          • Duel
            32·
            4 years ago

            According to the CDC:

            CDC estimates that influenza was associated with 45 million illnesses

            This was in 2018, worldwide. At the time of this being written, corona cases are counted at 47,434,036. Those are very close numbers, and you have to keep in mind that corona has lasted longer than the average flu season, due to it being able to survive cold climates better than the flu, even though the flu has been getting progressively better at surviving during the winter months.

            Sources:

            https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden-averted/2017-2018.htm https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus

            I replied under the wrong comment, don’t mind the comment under yours @Stoned_Ape@lemmy.ml

        • Stoned_Ape
          34·
          4 years ago

          I never claimed that masks do not work, I said that people should not be forced to wear masks by the government. That is just my opinion.

          And now this person, who said this exact thing, is banned for this reason:

          Trolling, being pro-trump, telling people not to wear a mask during the pandemic.

          What the fuck is going on with you guys here? I really love the software Lemmy for what it is: FOSS. That’s great.

          But the people behind it are the absolute worst FOSS devs I’ve ever met, and also one of the worst moderators I’ve ever came accross. This exact behavior was the reason to search for alternatives for Reddit. And now, we have that here as well.

          I know, this is their instance, and as another user here said: Their instance, their rules. I understand and agree. But I just wanted to give my opinion.

          I think Trump is an absolutely awful person and it is a bad thing that someone like him is the president of any country. But on the other hand, people banning other people for being “Pro-Trump” is equally awful. I mean it. It’s the same shit, just from the opposite side.

          The worst thing here is: I don’t even know if it is true that the user is “Pro-Trump”. I know that the “don’t wear masks” bit is not true, very apparently so, so I can only surmise that the other statements are equally thought through and truthful. This is an absolutely shitty job for a moderator.

          Holy shit. Seriously. I’m flabbergasted how awful people can be. If you want, you can ban me, because I don’t think I want to be around in this instance anymore. Not if one can’t speak his mind without breaking the rules but still has to fear being banned because of opinions.

          • Manmoth
            43·
            4 years ago

            YUP. If the moderation on this instance is anything like I’ve seen in this comment thread then it’s absolute dog shit. Mod is overly sensitive and is likely consooming to much trauma-based entertainment and M5M product. To think that other people need a white knight mod to be so aggressive with banning/deleting or else they’ll consoom fake news and jump into traffic is simultaneously insulting to the user and incredibly arrogant. Nice work mod! Good luck with your shitty board.

    • Duel
      46·
      4 years ago

      Thanks. I am fine with you disagreeing with me, but I do not like the mods deleting my posts because my opinion differs from theirs.