though also to be fair, calling anti-work a “movement” isn’t even really that meaningful. The real movement going on right now is the revival of unions. !unions@lemmy.ml !
If you want to support a business that works along those lines, Bob’s Red Mill was handed to employee ownership a few years back. Bob was retiring and that was his way of leaving a positive legacy for his employees.
Agree - you can’t get more of a contrast between (legitimate) but disorganized energy of antiwork and focused goal on improving the condition of laborers. The same amount of energy side by side, but one channeled toward constructive reform.
sadly, I’ve seen too much leftist organizing dysfunction to think that haha. Leftists are their own worst enemies. And I don’t just mean fights between factions. I mean just… holy shit sometimes people are just so disorganized.
I remember when our local Occupy group decided to initially operate on a consensus basis. Ever tried to operate 100+ people on a consensus basis? No matter what was proposed, someone didn’t like it and wouldn’t budge. They eventually fell to a mix of infighting and the police clearing out the park they were occupying (which had turned to a mud bath in the mean time).
I mean “anarchism” is an extremely broad label, to the point of almost being as meaningless as calling oneself a leftist or marxist. A lot of anarchists are pro-direct-democracy, which isn’t consensus based. A specific example is the “inclusive democracy” movement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inclusive_Democracy
We have to remember, these labels are all abstractions, they aren’t real concrete relations. They’re just ways that humans divide up and name the world for ease of use.
Another leftist movement implodes.
though also to be fair, calling anti-work a “movement” isn’t even really that meaningful. The real movement going on right now is the revival of unions. !unions@lemmy.ml !
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If you want to support a business that works along those lines, Bob’s Red Mill was handed to employee ownership a few years back. Bob was retiring and that was his way of leaving a positive legacy for his employees.
Done. I named it just coops to keep things broad appeal.
also !union@lemmygrad.ml
Agree - you can’t get more of a contrast between (legitimate) but disorganized energy of antiwork and focused goal on improving the condition of laborers. The same amount of energy side by side, but one channeled toward constructive reform.
You genuinely believe a subreddit was a leftist movement? It was a hub for discussion, that’s about it.
I know it’s paranoid, but I’m three-quarters convinced this is a psyop.
sadly, I’ve seen too much leftist organizing dysfunction to think that haha. Leftists are their own worst enemies. And I don’t just mean fights between factions. I mean just… holy shit sometimes people are just so disorganized.
I remember when our local Occupy group decided to initially operate on a consensus basis. Ever tried to operate 100+ people on a consensus basis? No matter what was proposed, someone didn’t like it and wouldn’t budge. They eventually fell to a mix of infighting and the police clearing out the park they were occupying (which had turned to a mud bath in the mean time).
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Not all anarchists require consensus.
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I mean “anarchism” is an extremely broad label, to the point of almost being as meaningless as calling oneself a leftist or marxist. A lot of anarchists are pro-direct-democracy, which isn’t consensus based. A specific example is the “inclusive democracy” movement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inclusive_Democracy
We have to remember, these labels are all abstractions, they aren’t real concrete relations. They’re just ways that humans divide up and name the world for ease of use.
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I share your paranoia on this one. Though I’ll admit I didn’t follow it real closely
Is this even a movement? And is this entirely leftist?