• drone621
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    3 years ago

    I know it’s paranoid, but I’m three-quarters convinced this is a psyop.

    • jackalope
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      3 years ago

      sadly, I’ve seen too much leftist organizing dysfunction to think that haha. Leftists are their own worst enemies. And I don’t just mean fights between factions. I mean just… holy shit sometimes people are just so disorganized.

      • pingveno
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        3 years ago

        I remember when our local Occupy group decided to initially operate on a consensus basis. Ever tried to operate 100+ people on a consensus basis? No matter what was proposed, someone didn’t like it and wouldn’t budge. They eventually fell to a mix of infighting and the police clearing out the park they were occupying (which had turned to a mud bath in the mean time).

              • jackalope
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                3 years ago

                I mean “anarchism” is an extremely broad label, to the point of almost being as meaningless as calling oneself a leftist or marxist. A lot of anarchists are pro-direct-democracy, which isn’t consensus based. A specific example is the “inclusive democracy” movement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inclusive_Democracy

                We have to remember, these labels are all abstractions, they aren’t real concrete relations. They’re just ways that humans divide up and name the world for ease of use.

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                    3 years ago

                    Basically it’s a framework that defines 4 spheres of democracy: politics, economic, social, and ecological.

                    Or roughly speaking, democracy in government, democracy at work, democracy in the home, and democracy in relation to the natural environment.

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      3 years ago

      I share your paranoia on this one. Though I’ll admit I didn’t follow it real closely