I’m thinking about anti capitalist investments.

Traditionally, it has been common to talk about investment in the sense of “generating” wealth. The economy is going to grow, therefore it is good to invest your money in mutual funds or diverse portfolios.

Traditional investment is orwellian for buying the rights to workers labor. Therefore, by principle I shouldn’t invest in the traditional sense.

But just having money just laying around in the bank isn’t very clever either as inflation will devalue it. So I’m thinking about anti capitalist investments.

Investments in non-profits

My idea of investment doesn’t just encompass how to increase my personal wealth, but also the wealth of the planet, wealth of human beings and wealth of animals. This means that I consider a donation an investment. I could view such investments as giving much higher return than even the most ethical company.

By donating, I’m also incentivizing myself to pay more attention to these organizations.

Investment in personal property

I could invest in possessions that I predict is going to be very useful to fight capitalism. I could buy tools to create independence from big tech. Or items that improve my mental health or helps to connect with other people.

Investment in personal sector

I could work less in order to invest in my personal wealth and working for non-profit sector.

Investment in independence from work

Another investment type is one to reduce loans and expenditure to as close as zero. This would reduce the corporate and state workforce. It would also free up your time to do what you want to do. Perhaps start a non-profit or spend your time helping out established ones.

What are your thoughts on this?

  • jazzfes
    10·
    3 years ago

    I think for practical reasons it also depends on how much we are talking about. If you are thinking about something in the millions, then yes, I feel it would be utterly important to be very considerate regarding how you can invest ethically.

    However, if we are just talking about 90% of the population trying to put money aside, then frankly I don’t think we should put an ethical burden on the investment decision. These amounts won’t change anything in terms of how ethical the economy is and I believe it is unfair to make it harder for people for no reason, when these people are already struggling in ways.

    So I would say that 90% of people should invest where it makes the most sense for them in terms of time available to research and return on investment.

    The economy is not a democracy. We can’t vote ourselves out of this with our wallet.

    • stopit
      6·
      3 years ago

      I agree in principal, but as we currently do need money for survival, I think investing in ethical organizations would be a good thing. It doesn’t have to be about becoming a Wall street shark, but maybe surviving and contributing to socially responsible organizations.

    • Vegafjord eoOP
      1·
      3 years ago

      What is the difference between Mutual Business Model and cooperatives?

  • Emberleaf
    6·
    3 years ago

    What about donating to open source software? Seems to me like that ticks all the appropriate boxes.

    • OsrsNeedsF2P
      5·
      3 years ago

      Coincidentally, I’m working on a website right now that lets you answer a few questions about your values and it spits out a random FOSS project meeting all your checkboxes that you can donate to in the end.

    • Vegafjord eoOP
      2·
      3 years ago

      Definitely, I invest in (donate to) Framasoft, Small Tech Foundation and want to increase my portfolio.

      • Vegafjord eoOP
        1·
        3 years ago

        Donating isn’t simply about burning up your money. You expect something in return. For example perhaps you invest in Framasoft with the expected return of having a more healthy internet ecosystem.

          • Vegafjord eoOP
            1·
            3 years ago

            So it is an investment in the community. The community gains a non-monetary return on investment.

              • Vegafjord eoOP
                31·
                3 years ago

                Our language reflects our world view.

                Donations implies that we are throwing money into an altruistic well to cleanse our soul. The person donating are elevated in status for their altruism regardless of how little the project progressed towards it’s vision.

                Investments implies that there are something on stake. That money can be invested poorly. That we can’t simply just donate to anything and expect the world to improve. It requires justification from the investor. We can measure whether an investment was good or not. With investments there is no honor, because you do it for your self interests. Self interests such as preventing climate disaster, ending imperialism or distributing digital power.

  • uthredii
    5·
    3 years ago

    I think it is broadly ok if your investment doesn’t exploit others.

    This could be investing in something a community can share like:

    • FOSS projects
    • Community gardens
    • Food banks
    • Non profit orgs

    However, like other people have said it is practical to invest in some things for yourself:

    • an emergency fund
    • Land you can live on (to protect against unpredictable rents)
    • even some stock and cryptocurrency is acceptable to some degree (imo) as in many countries large savings are required for old age.
  • pingveno
    31·
    3 years ago

    Being anti-capitalist isn’t a great goal in this case since it brings no benefit to anyone. Instead, I would reframe it as how can you make your investments be ethical. There are definitely ways to do that, like targeting investments towards companies that seek a higher purpose than just profit. Alternatively, becoming a shareholder in a company gives you some amount of control over that company. Some shareholders have used that to press companies into more ethical decisions, like forcing Big Oil to address climate issues by branching out into renewables by gaining seats on their board of directors.

    • Vegafjord eoOP
      41·
      3 years ago

      This question wasn’t targeted towards people who support capitalism. No offense.

  • Brattea
    2·
    3 years ago

    A lot of these responses are so incredibly privileged. Like just the idea of “investing” without any care for your own money. Just imagine wanting to prolong the slavery you experience under capitalism. The reason the system is so gross in the first place is doing this privileged shit can be the difference between working until you die and retirement. There is no “how I should” behave altruistically in a system I cannot opt out of.

  • ChinaNumberOne
    212·
    3 years ago

    real estate, it’s what china has been doing for a while

    • Jeffrey
      20·
      3 years ago

      Real estate investing is not anti-capitalist. The commodification of housing is fundamentally against the tenets of socialism.

      • pingveno
        11·
        3 years ago

        And real estate in China is pretty messed up at the moment (see: Evergrande). A bunch of people saved up for a home, gave their money to Evergrande to get a home built in the future, and now may never see that home or their money.