Stallman was 'cancelled' in 2019. He announced his return at FSF yesterday, though he is not the President of FSF anymore. I hope the 'cancel mob' spares him this time.
No, there’s a tons of evidence on many episodes when he embarrassed the Free Software movement by acting poorly in public speaking events. You can find pictures, videos and descriptions of him doing weird things ranging from older comments around age of consent, annoying women with unwanted attention, walking around barefoot or poorly dressed, throwing temper tantrums and the list goes on.
This is not about judging him as a person. A spokeperson is responsible for representing a community in public. Bad publicity harms other people.
I mean, speaking as a member of said community, Free Software is punk. I don’t want a fashionable representative who only says things that everyone agrees with.
Sure, I don’t need my Free Software representative to philosophize about the age of consent, but as long as he’s not telling people to rape others, I do not have a problem with that, and again, would rather have him speak his mind than not say anything that’s pushing the boundaries.
I don’t think he is anti equality or sexist, his actions only reflect poor social skills. His take on pronouns for example just seems like he was being overly pedantic about language again (GNU/Linux anyone?). And the reports about him annoying women sound like he just lacks awareness about how he is perceived.
So yeah, this punk supporting gender equality and anti-sexism. The punk that, last time I checked, didn’t have problems with people expressing themselves in idiosyncratic ways.
The age of consent and the annoying of women is bad, but the rest I don’t really care, IMO I kind of like it, it is fun and I prefer that to a souless kind of CEO.
With Stallman, pretending it’s not clear cut is ridiculous.
The “not a clear-cut case” referred to Minsky and not Stallman. What are you claiming that Stallman is obviously guilty of? Because the discussion was on his alleged endorsement of child abuse and sexual assault and you linked to articles which make accusations based on assumptions and further dilute it with describing how disgusting and asocial he is. Your highlighted point in no way supports the claim of him endorsing such behaviors and comes from an interview, in which Stallman also states that:
I know most of the maintainers only through email, which means that I don’t know whether they are male or female unless their names show me.
I just looked at the list: one maintainer is probably female, and a few others have names that might be male or female.
Yes, saying that no women contributed to GCC is false and wrong but it’s not a reason to exclude him from the movement or a justification for the CancelStallman campaign.
For the intent of figuring out what he said, he did not say that such-and-such actions are defensible.
Rather than talking in big circles round the issue, it’s better to just look at the truth of the matter. Do you, or do you not believe that saying someone who slept with a twenty year old has committed “sexual assault” could be misleading?
I didn’t characterise any story. I asked a simple question, to return to the matter in question, rather than side tracking. This is more side tracking.
Do you, or do you not believe that saying someone who slept with a twenty year old has committed “sexual assault” could be misleading?
This is the question I asked, twice. It’s also the original question asked by Stallman.
I’m not sure how you want to show evidence that the question I’m asking is not “the question”. It’s a question, it’s one I’ve asked, and one you’re apparently incapable of answering.
If this isn’t the point you’re making, then don’t be surprised when other people’s questions - including Stallman’s - are not there to facilitate your points.
Neither does a 20 year old feature in this story,
The story pertains to Stallman precisely because of his initial demand for clarity.
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No, there’s a tons of evidence on many episodes when he embarrassed the Free Software movement by acting poorly in public speaking events. You can find pictures, videos and descriptions of him doing weird things ranging from older comments around age of consent, annoying women with unwanted attention, walking around barefoot or poorly dressed, throwing temper tantrums and the list goes on.
This is not about judging him as a person. A spokeperson is responsible for representing a community in public. Bad publicity harms other people.
I mean, speaking as a member of said community, Free Software is punk. I don’t want a fashionable representative who only says things that everyone agrees with.
Sure, I don’t need my Free Software representative to philosophize about the age of consent, but as long as he’s not telling people to rape others, I do not have a problem with that, and again, would rather have him speak his mind than not say anything that’s pushing the boundaries.
This punk supporting gender equality and anti-sexism?
I don’t think he is anti equality or sexist, his actions only reflect poor social skills. His take on pronouns for example just seems like he was being overly pedantic about language again (GNU/Linux anyone?). And the reports about him annoying women sound like he just lacks awareness about how he is perceived.
So yeah, this punk supporting gender equality and anti-sexism. The punk that, last time I checked, didn’t have problems with people expressing themselves in idiosyncratic ways.
The age of consent and the annoying of women is bad, but the rest I don’t really care, IMO I kind of like it, it is fun and I prefer that to a souless kind of CEO.
That’s just a false dichotomy.
why?
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…and yet the evidence is overwhelming.
With Stallman, pretending it’s not clear cut is ridiculous.
Some receipts.
Probably the most damning one:
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the ‘everyone’ he’s disconnected from just happening to be his women colleagues, huh
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You do realize that’s a bad attribute for someone leading the Free Software Foundation.
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The “not a clear-cut case” referred to Minsky and not Stallman. What are you claiming that Stallman is obviously guilty of? Because the discussion was on his alleged endorsement of child abuse and sexual assault and you linked to articles which make accusations based on assumptions and further dilute it with describing how disgusting and asocial he is. Your highlighted point in no way supports the claim of him endorsing such behaviors and comes from an interview, in which Stallman also states that:
Yes, saying that no women contributed to GCC is false and wrong but it’s not a reason to exclude him from the movement or a justification for the CancelStallman campaign.
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You can’t just believe everything you read on Twitter.
The source is quite public, so it’s better to go to that source.
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For the intent of figuring out what he said, he did not say that such-and-such actions are defensible.
Rather than talking in big circles round the issue, it’s better to just look at the truth of the matter. Do you, or do you not believe that saying someone who slept with a twenty year old has committed “sexual assault” could be misleading?
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I didn’t characterise any story. I asked a simple question, to return to the matter in question, rather than side tracking. This is more side tracking.
Do you, or do you not believe that saying someone who slept with a twenty year old has committed “sexual assault” could be misleading?
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This is the question I asked, twice. It’s also the original question asked by Stallman.
I’m not sure how you want to show evidence that the question I’m asking is not “the question”. It’s a question, it’s one I’ve asked, and one you’re apparently incapable of answering.
If this isn’t the point you’re making, then don’t be surprised when other people’s questions - including Stallman’s - are not there to facilitate your points.
The story pertains to Stallman precisely because of his initial demand for clarity.