At this point, I think it’s pretty safe to say that something is going to happen in the next couple years to “justify” a hot war with China. This rhetoric has gotten out of hand.
The problem is that such a war will very likely go nuclear and then we’re all done for
Yeah. Problem is that apparently people currently at the top are scared of losing it so much, they are willing to wager that they will remain at the top of whatever remains after.
Looks at the small village “It is better to be first here than second in Rome”
I don’t think the risk of nuclear war is that high.
The US already dropped two nukes in war time. They pulled out of nuclear treaties. They have been developing “tactical” nukes.
I am confident a nuke will be deployed in theatre within my lifetime.
Most “tactical” nuclear weapons have way less yield than the first atomic bombs, which have all been decommissioned in favor of “tactical” and lower yield missiles.
Nuclear weapons are still devastating, but not quite as much as before. Nuclear weapons would best be suited to attack military-based targets, which themselves would have defenses, radar and other countermeasures and backup plans. Targeting civillians in large numbers would be a waste of effort, money and time, and would just draw the ire of the victimized nation which would still target military facilities.
Despite the U.S. having a stranglehold hegemony on the world, countries would still refuse to participate or make political and diplomatic moves to criticize or withdraw away from U.S. atrocities and blunders.
And with many major countries, especially socialist and anti-imperialist countries having nuclear weapons, the strategy of the U.S. deploying nuclear weapons greatly backfire. People are prone to make rash decisions and the bourgeoisie would sooner destroy than give up and rebuild, I think its incredibly unlikely that the U.S. would turn to nuclear weapons, since the field is much more even now, so to speak.
modern nukes can be several times stronger than little boy and fat man.
I’m sure they could be developed that way, but most modern nukes are closer to missiles.
nukes are carried on missiles, yes, but there’s little point to building a nuke with the same explosive yield as conventional weapons.
After all, the people in charge still want to be in charge.
Very worrying what kind of false flag they’ll instigate. Taiwan seems obvious, pushing them to declare independence but that might not be enough without some further provocation. They’ll definitely have plenty of canon fodder as the people in the west are plenty propagandized and would at least for the first 12 months I think willingly throw themselves into any kind of meat grinder against China.
I think in some ways all of this might be trying to engineer a situation of throwing all the henchmen so to speak at the good guys while hanging back and saying you’ll cover them, seeing if you can bloody them while having little interest in joining the fight unless it starts going very well without you. And at the very least if they push their vassals to attack China and those vassals lose, they’ll have expended a lot of weaponry that the US can then force them to buy more.
My biggest fear is the US somehow engineers a false flag and convinces India to attack China and then joins in or just sits back and watches. Since the Russian thing failed they couldn’t stage on Russian borders anyways and most of the smaller countries would be loathe to let them do it.
Oh and one more thing. If they US ever does manage any kind of effective missile defense system whether hypersonic glide-kill vehicles or space lasers that would be capable of intercepting 95% of China’s arsenal (with or without presuming an effective sneak first strike that takes out some of it) they are immediately going to nuke China’s military and attack so that’s something to keep in mind though it seems they’re still quite a ways off.
From what I’ve read, barring science-fiction level tech, countering China’s missiles is effectively impossible. And China’s defense systems I think are better or on the verge of being better than the U.S.
China won against Japan once, it can win twice
Japan wants to get their shit pushed in in 2027 more like it. The fucking feds themselves have stated Chinas military will surpass the US by 2025 to a degree the US will never be able to catch up. Imagine waiting till 2 year AFTER China surpasses the capabilities of the world’s largest military to want to provoke them.
(This isn’t a rant against your comment. It is a rant. But more of a general rant, following from your mention of the 2025 cut-off date.)
Do you think it really is two years. I’m no tactician, but considering how long were the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya, and the length of the war in Ukraine, the US would achieve very little in China in 21 months.
Even if a war broke out tomorrow, China is unlikely to put it’s military tech plan on hold just to be polite. The only thing that’s going to stop China now is nuking all the major cities. If the US does that while somehow preventing China from doing the same to the US, then Russia and the DPRK are likely to nuke the US anyway, because they’ll know that they’re next and all restraint goes out the window at that point.
Tbh I think this 2025 figure is just US capital trying to shore up share prices. They already know they’ve been left dead in the water. They’re just committed to the same old pretend-everything’s-okay routine while secretly preparing to ride out the next crisis.
The difference this time is that there is no next time for capital. Once US imperialism falls, there won’t be another imperialism as the CPC is ready to fill the vacuum. If e.g. Germany, France, or the UK try to step up, they’ll be laughed at without the US military in the background. All those failed revolutions in the global south will suddenly succeed without the US standing guard.
The best the capitalists can hope for is that Xi dies and China unravels itself in the same way as Alexander the Great’s empire. I give China a lot more credit than that, though.
Oh I agree for the most part. I think the 2025 date, while being originally predicted back in 2015,is more of a “this is the last possible chance the US would have at going toe to toe” of sorts. I don’t think anyone wins at this point but as 2025 closes in I think it goes from MAD to the US fails completely as Chinas capabilities go into “We can now completely (or at least near completely) put down any initial assault you try and will own the retaliation. We no longer have to play nice.”
The best the capitalists can hope for is that Xi dies and China unravels itself in the same way as Alexander the Great’s empire. I give China a lot more credit than that, though.
Yeah China has had plenty of stable elections and Xi’s replacement will likely come to power peacefully and do just fine. The CPC is pretty stable internally, more so than either mainstream US party internally, which are both experiencing a serious identity crisis.
This is exactly why US wants things with China to pop off ASAP. They themselves know and cannot deny the decline of their empire, and simultaneously they cannot deny China’s rise. That fact alone guarantees there will be a point that once reached, the US has no shot of taking down China.
Japan forgot what it is like to be beaten back home.
That was my first thought.
HAVEN’T THESE FUCKERS LEARNT ANYTHING FROM LAST TIME???
“How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?!”
Seemingly, the majority of Chinese people have forgiven, but not forgotten.
Japan is going to give them a reason to abandon that forgiveness. And there will be no justice in the event of war, but there will be revenge. Revenge for Nanjing. Revenge for Manchuria. Revenge for Korea. And it will be deserved, at least for the perpetuators of imperialist war.
The devils of empire, east and west, are digging their own graves. It’s unconscionable that they will use our flesh and blood to dig them with, our world, our humanity. Another reason to keep fighting, anyway.
Has Japan even apologized for all the war crimes they committed, especially towards China in this specific instance? I remember hearing how hellbent they were on keeping that shit on the down-low.
No, the bastards. I know street interviews aren’t exactly scientific or statistically meaningful, but I found this video informative regarding regular Chinese people’s relationship with modern day Japan: https://youtu.be/hfR9pwuR5yE
Four years ago as well.
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Comrades it’s time to learn how to say “I surrender and will help you” in Chinese. I’m not even joking, as much as we want to avoid a war, and China wants to avoid a war, this is the only tool Washington knows to use when their influence declines. And it’s been declining for too long. You think there won’t be a war? Unlikely. The imperial core coaxed Russia into invading Ukraine.
Even if you don’t manage to learn that phrase, hands up with a white flag, no backpack, no trenchcoat or anything else that looks like you can be hiding something, etc., then they should follow international protocol and take you prisoner. They’ll get a translator for when they are ready to talk.
Though it will help if you can manage that phrase.
I’m gonna start carrying one of my copies of Quotations from Mao in case any PLA paratroopers start landing.
we gonna end up like that one american soldier who fled a concentration camp, met a soviet division and just ran at them screaming “amerikanski tovarisch”
Do they really need to learn their lesson again?
Context: This version of Godzilla is the first Godzilla that is incarnated from the restless souls of the victims of WWII.
Those dead eyes… poor Baragon
Tbh I always root got this G. Clearly cosmicly pissed off and for good reason.
Japan wants to fellate a Dongfeng 5.
why in 2027 though
I read the article and there isn’t anything like “Japan wants to attack China in 2027”, the date is the date when they will finish their 5 year armed forces expansion plan.
Aggression on China is implied but as part of USA attack, and as such if it happens, it will happen much earlier since even USA analysts say the China will have military advantage over USA in 2025 (i guess they mean defensive war since Pacific is quite big obstacle).
Most likely all this shit is tied to the same USA pivoting to China which was very recently discussed here about Australia, where US is basically openly threatening Australia into sabotaging their own interest and politics else there will be “consequences”.
100% chance that Japanese politicians heard the same thing with carrot dangled being probably the same thing as ever - the resources of Manchuria freely to exploit after US victory (joke on them, US would never keep that promise).
Bring it the fuck on you loli panty sniffers! You’ll get your kawaii ass handed to you by real soldiers.
tfw you get atomized by a ballistic missile even though you trained like goku for months
Because anime is full of Mary sues that would die immediately if their plot armour is taken away
Except Natsuki Subaru, who dies anyway. (But it’s okay because he goes back in time and respawns every time he dies!)
Please Kim resurrect Mao
In reality, this means committing to outspending every other state except the US and China by 2027. They can enter all the contracts they want to that end, but most of those orders will not be fulfilled till years later. By that point it’ll be too late. This is another mad dash to increase profits before capitalism disintegrates. In the same way that oil companies have pushed up prices, knowing the clock is ticking.
Edit: as for why? Why would arms manufacturers try to ramp up profits of they know the end is near and that money won’t mean anything? (1) They’re still in the race and (2) they correlate an increasing share price with a healthy system, so they’re in denial.
I was thinking at first this is some The Onion material. My only question is WHY?
They are pretty much a vassal state of the US so most likely it is because the US asked them to do it.
Okinawa base screams that, but do these vassal states have literally 0 brains or will of their own?
I remember reading that either South Korea or Japan wanted to scale back US’ military imposition on them at one point but after a visit by Obama and a warning by him they decided to completely backtrack. I can’t find the details for it because Google is being useless.
Google loves hiding. Try Yandex, or any Searx instance, they have low to no filtering.
I actually laughed so hard that I cried when I read this. Thank you so much.
They couldn’t even win against a semi-feudal China. What kind of meth are they smoking thinking they could do anything to a near hegemonic super-power
What kind of meth are they smoking
not meth, schoolgirl panties
Crystal one probably
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Does it tho?
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Probably not so much the morning after or if you get addicted i bet
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Jesse get back to the lab and finish the batch, it’s worth nothing if you smoke it all you junkie!
It’s all fun and games until the grass is staring at you.
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