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    2 years ago

    At this point, I think it’s pretty safe to say that something is going to happen in the next couple years to “justify” a hot war with China. This rhetoric has gotten out of hand.

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        Yeah. Problem is that apparently people currently at the top are scared of losing it so much, they are willing to wager that they will remain at the top of whatever remains after.

        Looks at the small village “It is better to be first here than second in Rome”

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          The US already dropped two nukes in war time. They pulled out of nuclear treaties. They have been developing “tactical” nukes.

          I am confident a nuke will be deployed in theatre within my lifetime.

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            Most “tactical” nuclear weapons have way less yield than the first atomic bombs, which have all been decommissioned in favor of “tactical” and lower yield missiles.

            Nuclear weapons are still devastating, but not quite as much as before. Nuclear weapons would best be suited to attack military-based targets, which themselves would have defenses, radar and other countermeasures and backup plans. Targeting civillians in large numbers would be a waste of effort, money and time, and would just draw the ire of the victimized nation which would still target military facilities.

            Despite the U.S. having a stranglehold hegemony on the world, countries would still refuse to participate or make political and diplomatic moves to criticize or withdraw away from U.S. atrocities and blunders.

            And with many major countries, especially socialist and anti-imperialist countries having nuclear weapons, the strategy of the U.S. deploying nuclear weapons greatly backfire. People are prone to make rash decisions and the bourgeoisie would sooner destroy than give up and rebuild, I think its incredibly unlikely that the U.S. would turn to nuclear weapons, since the field is much more even now, so to speak.

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      Very worrying what kind of false flag they’ll instigate. Taiwan seems obvious, pushing them to declare independence but that might not be enough without some further provocation. They’ll definitely have plenty of canon fodder as the people in the west are plenty propagandized and would at least for the first 12 months I think willingly throw themselves into any kind of meat grinder against China.

      I think in some ways all of this might be trying to engineer a situation of throwing all the henchmen so to speak at the good guys while hanging back and saying you’ll cover them, seeing if you can bloody them while having little interest in joining the fight unless it starts going very well without you. And at the very least if they push their vassals to attack China and those vassals lose, they’ll have expended a lot of weaponry that the US can then force them to buy more.

      My biggest fear is the US somehow engineers a false flag and convinces India to attack China and then joins in or just sits back and watches. Since the Russian thing failed they couldn’t stage on Russian borders anyways and most of the smaller countries would be loathe to let them do it.

      Oh and one more thing. If they US ever does manage any kind of effective missile defense system whether hypersonic glide-kill vehicles or space lasers that would be capable of intercepting 95% of China’s arsenal (with or without presuming an effective sneak first strike that takes out some of it) they are immediately going to nuke China’s military and attack so that’s something to keep in mind though it seems they’re still quite a ways off.

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        From what I’ve read, barring science-fiction level tech, countering China’s missiles is effectively impossible. And China’s defense systems I think are better or on the verge of being better than the U.S.