For fucks sake, lately it seems /c/worldnews is just like /r/worldnews, every stupid insignificant thing that happens in the US gets a shitty post here. Could you think twice about posting anything US/Europe related thing? I’m not saying there shouldn’t be any news regarding these places but some times it’s really stupid.

Why should I care if republicans win over there? I dont fuckig care. Why should I give a flying fuck if Trump gets his fucking Twitter account back? I honestly couldn’t care less what fascist shit Usonian politicans post on that proprietary network. Why should I care that the UK pigs are one of the worst repressive organs in the world?

I could go on, the thing is that if you want to post shit about the US, do it in a community regarding the US, unless that news could be of interest to the rest of the world. For example if the US creates a new war or participates in a coup d’etat (and they do it pretty often), that could be of interest to the rest of the world, if not, post it somewhere else. Try to think it this way, would you care to know something similar to what you’re going to post if that would be happening in an African country? Or in a Latin American country? If the answer is no, then don’t do it.

Please let’s try and make Lemmy a place that’s not Reddit, we don’t need to be so Usocentric/Eurocentric, even if it’s hard.

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Maybe what you want is a rule that at least two countries need to be involved so that it can be posted here? That should get rid of all the domestic “politics” theater from Usia.

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I’d be open to that if there is enough interest. Currently trying to decide between this suggestion or making it a little more broad with @Cloak@lemmy.ml’s suggestion, my main issue with this one is that sometimes countries do things by themselves that affect the entire world. For example, things relating to environmentalism.

@gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml

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You have my support.

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I think no rule is going to prevent people from posting shit anyway, but I think that at least having something like a warning/recommendation that you should consider if the news in question at least has two countries involved would be a good idea. But as you say, it’s not a golden rule because a country can do something by its own that affects the rest.

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Personally I think @Cloak@lemmy.ml suggestion is correct, because in trying to mitigate USA centric news problem, we should not want to get rid of all Anglophone news itself. That would become an echo chamber.

During events like USA elections, temporary strict rules can be used.

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I also thought about some kind of rule but couldn’t come with anything. And while I agree that this may seem reasonable most of the time I’m sure it will prevent actual world news from getting posted. Maybe it could work as a consideration?

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Related to this, how about a rule that the name of the country needs to be included in the post title? There are some posts on the frontpage where you can only guess.

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IMO a flag emoji would be better since it takes less space, but it would be a nice idea.

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I don’t really want to mandate emojis because if you’re on a computer, it’s surprisingly annoying to hunt them down and type them (I just search them up and copy paste, which isn’t ideal). They’re also hard to find using the search bar. So, how about ISO country codes? Like [US], [CN], [DE], etc (meaning Unites States, China, Germany respectively) at the start of the title?

You can also do something like [US+CN] or [US][CN] for news about international relations.

@gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml

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Agree, also I think that having emojis in all the titles would be kind of ugly.

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When I have time, I will summarize all the ideas in this thread, as well as my own, into a community post and host a vote to see if people want them made into rules.

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I think you exaggerated: the first page contains news about Italy, China, Afghnistan, Brazil, Austria.

But yes, it needs to be less US-centric. If the news is mostly relevant to one country, it should at least appear in the title.

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When did I say that all the news were regarding only the US? What I said is that more often than not, news that are relevant only to people interested in national politics get posted in a community that should be focused on international politics. /c/worldnews is way less usocentric than /r/worldnews, but still we get the usual post that is not.

To be clear, I’m not saying that we get way too many posts about the US but that sometimes we get irrelevant news just because people think that since the US is involved everyone should care about it.

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I wonder if

News from around the world!

would be better as

News that affects the world!


but for now !unitedstates@lemmy.ml exists

@Thann
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Yeah, that’s how I see it. If the US decides to bomb a part of the world and calls on its allies to join in, you could say that its “US-centric” but it effects the whole world, and it seems like the world should have a place to come together to discuss the topic.

The “UK police” link OP complains about I thought was relevant to world news, because every place in the world has police, and many are concerned with their encroaching powers and police-brutality. =/

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I might be wrong, but I’m guessing that most Lemmyheads are from Europe or the US and A

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This is also a consideration

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I would even say its a problem.

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I agree, but at the same time there are other bigger problems to address before, at least in my book.

Things like

  1. How can we make the federated Lemmy more seamless? The in message community mentioning syntax, for instance, could use refinement
  2. How can we support different languages better?
  3. Is it possible to avoid the space for radicles that comes with federated platforms while still maintaining the values that a federation stands for?
  4. Working out minor quirks that lower trust, like the 502 page when logging out, randomly being logged out until you reload, no css occasionally, and the free .ml domain for the flagship instance

Than, how can we attract users, specifically from different countries?

The first thing that comes to mind before advertising is attracting other communities from Reddit, but why would they come? Voat attracted members because the alt right was unwelcome on reddit, but most communities dont find a huge need to switch, even if they feel things could be better. The one exception is the privacy/Foss community, but it’s a small one and perhaps not the best Target audience, let alone one of many nationalities.

If the above paragraph was somehow an attraction plan despite no internationality, some more issues would need to be ironed out:

  1. can we offer reddit import?
  2. can we make a compelling offer for everyone
  3. can we have an attractive landing page

In line with 3, I think at some point some branding consideration is needed, ie

Lemmy: a world for everyone

With an illustration of stuff being shipped between different planets, one covered in flowers, another in factories and tech, and one more with ???

As an idea.

I am interested in your strategy ideas for growth. While I am rambling, worth noting that a democracy system is my long term dream, although far off in the pipeline


One final note, I have a tad bit of experience in rust and have read the book. I might be interested in seeing if I can help out at all? if you need it that is (My schedule is super wonky)

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How can we make the federated Lemmy more seamless? The in message community mentioning syntax, for instance, could use refinement

You mean the syntax for @community and @user? Agree, that definitely needs improvement.

How can we support different languages better?

This should help

Is it possible to avoid the space for radicles that comes with federated platforms while still maintaining the values that a federation stands for?

Hard to say, I think this is something where individual instances might differ a lot.

Working out minor quirks that lower trust, like the 502 page when logging out, randomly being logged out until you reload, no css occasionally, and the free .ml domain for the flagship instance

Please open issues in lemmy-ui with details about these bugs. Btw lemmy.ml is not the flagship instance.

can we offer reddit import?

Its easy enough to write a script which imports things through the Lemmy API. But I dont see any reason to integrate an import feature directly in Lemmy.

can we make a compelling offer for everyone

Not everyone is going to like Lemmy, and thats okay.

can we have an attractive landing page

Again, best open issues in the joinlemmy repo.

One final note, I have a tad bit of experience in rust and have read the book. I might be interested in seeing if I can help out at all? if you need it that is (My schedule is super wonky)

There are plenty of things to work on, so if you see something interesting on the issue tracker, why not give it a try. Feel free to ask in Matrix chat if anything is unclear.

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Is everything in open in the issue trackers open to being worked on? ie: is the tracker actively maintained (had some bad experiences with this)

@nutomic
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Generally yes, though sometimes we forget to update an issue. If you want to work on something, its best to mention that in a comment first.

@roastpotatothief
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Some great ideas there. You should post this on c/lemmy, the right place for “bugs, gripes, praises, and advocacy”.

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Imho, as long as the title isn’t clickbaity, its okay. We shouldn’t reach a stage where “Trump should be impeached” is an acceptable headline, like /r/politics

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IMO, no, it’s not called news, but world news, posts should be about topics that can be of interest to the whole globe, not just anglophones.

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I agree, but that is very subjective, don’t you think? I’m interested for example in the post that said Trump is suing Twitter. I won’t waste time reading the article most probably, but the news is amusing nonetheless. So what decides whether something is interesting enough to the whole globe or not?

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I also find interesting, but I don’t think it fits /c/worldnews.

@TheAnonymouseJoker
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Nobody else from other countries cares if Trump sued USA itself.

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I beg to differ

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