Do these people not realize Russia and China would intervene and curb stomp the US and occupied Korea?
‘‘Underutilized people, land and resources’’
Just think about that sentence for a moment.
libs when country not being imperialized: >:( (they angy)
They’re really casual about seeing North Koreans as livestock
It’s only utilised if it serves capital. Once it serves capital, it must be overutilised because the bourgeois knows no limits on it’s greed.
“Putin is stupid for thinking he can beat Ukraine in a few hours. Anyway, we could totally btfo North Korea in 30 minutes.”
Even more amusing when you consider that DPRK has nukes, whereas Ukraine has only survived as a NATO proxy.
Its also on Russia that they are only focused on demilitarising with minimal damage and avoidance of civilian casualties. They do not have step 1: carpetbomb genocide mentality.
Exactly. People forget that “Special Military Operation” does not mean “anything goes, get mah warcrime gun”. In other words, the SMO indeed is not the same as a declared war.
It is the kind of mistake the corporate fascist Deep State facilitates culturally via brainwashed liberal and conservative puppets on the streets and on internet, to modify and twist reality, and to create alternative versions of it, so that 10-15 years down the line they can quote people saying it was a genocidal war invasion same-as-Iraq hurrdurr nonsense. I see the socdems/demsocs making this mistake, because they want more viewership and social reachout, trying to tussle with people who refuse to listen to non-controlled factual journalists, revolutionaries and vigilantes.
How to be a succdem for dummies:
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Accept and internalize class enemy propaganda
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Still fucking lose
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Go even further right
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Repeat 1-3 ad nauseam
Now they cannot go more right unless they literally adopt Nazi symbols themselves, and use nukes. The whole “better dead than red” thing could be the final step unless they admit its over.
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The Russians see East Ukrainians as Russians.
The US media othered Iraqis and Afghans so much that a certain group of Americans started attacking other Americans that were Muslims and/or of west/south-Asian descent.
the north was the industrialized part of the nation
funny how they Conveniently Forget™ to mention that Amerika carpet bombed the North and that the South is a de facto Amerikan colony
The North was economically far stronger than the South right up until the 80s when the US started to pour immense amounts of investment into their puppet state just as the USSR was starting to decline. Then the DPRK was effectively left totally alone in the 90s without any outside trade except for a small amount - much smaller than they had with the USSR - with China. And yet even to this day the North is arguably the more industrialized half because it has its own heavy industries including a very impressive military industry, whereas the South just buys American hand me downs. The North is self-sufficient in virtually every way including agriculturally and industrially. Which is really the weaker economy here, the one that produces for itself everything it needs or the one that has to rely on other countries’ industrial output while itself only really specializing in the automobile industry and a few other high tech sectors?
The 1990 HDI of DPRK was higher than the Philippines, which is arguably more representative of what a US colony would actually look like when the Americans do not fund a significant portion of the state budget as they did in Park era SK.
The self sufficiency of China software industry had produced a mobile Harmony operating system and WeChat app that Western European Diaspora now desperately attempted to steal…
Let us not get too carried away. I have staunchly supported Huawei since 2016, when I bought Honor 6X as a risk. HarmonyOS is the most confusing thing I have seen, because it is 1) an Android/AOSP fork, just like LineageOS and such custom ROMs, and 2) it is an ecosystem of devices, services and a microkernel in the way Apple has.
China’s self sufficiency comes from the ecosystem of WeChat, Alibaba, Tencent, Baidu, Bilibili, Weibo, Ixigua et al. Also simply having relatively countless IT manpower compared to other countries (except India, because similar numbers) is what allows sustainance of this ecosystem.
Huawei is quite dead (which is why global smartphone industry outside China lacks innovation), and the chip industry needs to become a thing to allow true self sufficiency. Hardware and software are like yin and yang.
Talk abotu white savior complex. They do realize that we didn’t actually win the Korean War, right?
Thats what i was thinking lol, they couldnt beat korea back when they were underdeveloped
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Honestly ashamed to admit I never knew quite how large DPRK’s military was. I almost feel like the stats I’m reading are off, they say US military has 1.4 million active personnel and DPRK has 1.3 million. By numbers (not funding) they have the fourth largest in the world. On one hand it’s depressing they need to put so much manpower to militarism, but at the same time I understand they were absolutely forced into this and I have massive respect for the everyday solider/vet in DPRK that is willing to risk everything to preserve their sovereignty and socialism.
Absolutely to what you’ve said, and their military actually services the people, too, sending out military doctors to quarantined families to deliver groceries and medicine for instance.
Conscripts vs mobilized.
Under 13 years of US sanctions, Iraq was unable to maintain its existing pre-1990 arms with what little they could smuggle through Jordan. The most extensive indigenous upgrade Iraq was capable of before sanctions was the T-55 Enigma. The DPRK on other hand is capable of producing entirely new vehicles such as the M2020.
Nukes is the only reason imo
The US acknowledging that the DPRK has ICBMs capable of reaching the US is a recent phenomenon.
There was probably a gap in time after the dissolution of the Soviet Union that the DPRK might not have had the capability for credible nuclear deterrence and yet the Americans did not make their move.
Because then the US was at the “end of history”, they thought they had won.
Beside, there are two more reasons. 1. Any actual attack on DPRK had significant chance of involving PRC, and 90’s USA would rather not do it since they thought China is liberalising and will end in their pocket sooner or later (also it would disrupt all the US capital invested there) and 2. DPRK, while being completely harmless to USA, is actually very useful to their propaganda, which was especially true in the 90’s after destruction of USSR - it provide them with what every fascist regime needs - an external enemy - and it’s a great external enemy, the embodiment of “other”, mysterious, dangerous, dehumanised.
The US also secretly knows that it’s soldiers will defect as soon as those poor, undernourished people who signed up so they could be taught to read and get access to healthcare see the true level of development in the DRPK.
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the reason was and always has been the same: you could defect on pragmatic and material grounds, but your family and all your life remain in the nation you left. So, specially for a young man, it’s often not an option.
You are a young german. You defect to the USSR. And then? your family hates you, your former country considers you a traitor, you don’t speak the language, don’t know the culture and everyone in the new country is at least suspicious of you.
The more respect for the Americans who did defected to DPRK.
There is a pacifist I know that would sign up to kill Koreans but not for any other war. There seems to be a special hatred for DPRK.
IMO the DPRK is the Haiti of Asia. The white empires hate them because they got away and have vowed to punish them.
Do you know much about that history? Like, why didn’t the US do to DPRK what it did to Vietnam (maybe it did, and I’ve just not heard about it). I have some hypotheses, but I’m just guessing really (i.e. (1) the US managed to keep a foothold in the south of Korea, but not in Vietnam, (2) it didn’t have the capacity for another such war in the region at that time, and (3) the Korean war never stopped, hence the south remains occupied, and that was enough for imperialist goals even if they still have a vendetta because the DPRK embarrassed them).
North Korea remembers the atrocities that were done onto them the last time, and are more than prepared for a war with the US and their colony
1950s China, war torn with an agrarian economy, and an army under-equipped even by WW2 standards, pushed Dugout Doug back to the 38th parallel.
What makes them think today’s China, one that is now the foremost industrial power producing some of the most advanced UCAVs, hypersonics, destroyers, carriers, and 5th gen fighters in the world, is going to let them?
The idea that PRC wouldn’t intervene, perhaps?
From what I remember, the PRC position was that:
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If the DPRK were the first to attack the south, they wouldn’t intervene
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If the DPRK were attacked first, the PRC would intervene
Thanks!
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Maybe, but the way the US is escalating tensions, I don’t think China can afford not to intervene.
I hope the Pentagon is as stupid as they are
lol hope not, otherwise these shitstains would actually kick start this…
They might not be this stupid, but they certainly are stupid, just read US Secretary of Navy claiming Chinese shipyards using slave labour
It’s not that they are stupid. It’s that their narrative is stupid from our perspective because we know better. From the viewpoint of pushing the narrative to the unwitting masses, who gobble this stuff up, it isn’t stupid at all. That’s the thing about propaganda. If you know the truth then it makes the reports look like they were written by morons, because YOU know it’s wrong. But it’s not meant to convince you. It’s meant to reinforce the narrative everyone else believes.
Well, yeah. Though anyone who ever seen a shipyard (or any modern industrial works) would quickly smelled some stink in the statement about slave labour used there.
Oh, westerners won’t because they don’t have industry anymore. Right.
A 2002 report from The Lancet said that the DPRK actually pursued ‘aggressive and unsustainable strategies to maximise the output of its land, only 15% of which is arable’, which blatantly contradicts the ignorant (or willfully dishonest) anticommunists’ claim that the land is ‘underutelized’.
Now, regarding the malnourished millions factoid:
Finally, seeing as how these anticommunists admitted that they ‘don’t want to deal with the population after the Kim’s are gone’, I have a sneaking suspicion that they would resort to something like this so that nobody would have to deal with the population ever again.
South Korea nearly received more western aid than ALL of Africa is why it’s successful. One was a site of resource extraction and the other a site of resource dumping. Why do liberals act like experts when they don’t understand simple shit like this. They truly believe South Korean manufacturers would be as successful not exploiting the cheap resources and labor of others.
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