this question aims to look at alternatives, not why we should remain using lemmy or any lemmy instance.

@Fool
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I will go to sleep, because it is late.

@Thann
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To another instance…

@nikifa
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You mean my question is always invalid when tested by reality?

@Thann
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uh, no. your question seems to imply that there is one “lemmy”, when in fact “lemmy” is whatever you want it to be.

@ancom
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if you find out that lemmy isn’t suitable for you anymore, you suggest to use lemmy as an alternative? I’m not sure if lemmy is a valid alternative to lemmy…

@Thann
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It’s open source and federated. You can modify and moderate it till your hearts content. ‘lemmy’ isn’t a single thing, it’s an idea, and to quote V for Vendetta:

We are told to remember the idea, not the man, because a man can fail. He can be caught, he can be killed and forgotten, but 400 years later, an idea can still change the world.

@ancom
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I respect your enthusiasm, but you seem to dismiss the alternatives. Your time is limited. You can use it to improve lemmy, same as you can use to improve something else. Arguing that because it is open source and federate, one should invest their time to improve lemmy, is in result also saying one should not use that time to improve other alternatives that are open source too.

@Thann
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Arguing that because it is open source and federate, one should invest their time to improve lemmy, is in result also saying one should not use that time to improve other alternatives that are open source too.

I’m not making this argument, I’m just countering the assertion that there is a single “Lemmy” that can become unsuitable. When In fact it is software and a network that are both mutable.

@ancom
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I’m just countering the assertion that there is a single “Lemmy” that can become unsuitable

Earlier you said, that because it is open source, lemmy will always be suitable for anyome, because they can just modify it, as you say.

Modifying lemmy means, that during this time you won’t be able to modify something else, and neither does the possibility to modify something grant you the resources to actually do it. That means, in order to have lemmy suitable, you do it at the cost of dismissing alternatives.

It also misses the point, about the power lead developer hold over every lemmy instance. If you believe those developers are unfit for that position, and if that matters to you, then changing software might for some be the only solution, and that is what the question is addressing.

@Thann
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You’re completely right, and this issue is especially problematic and noticable with cryptocurrencies. Fortunately though you are generally not the only person who feels a certain way, and you can generally find a community of devs to make a fork. My assertion is that once the Lemmy devs start causing problems, people will make a fork of lemmy that addresses your concerns with the codebase, and because Lemmy was the most suitable before, the fork will continue to be the most suitable for a while. At that point “what is Lemmy” becomes a semantic argument.

@ancom
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But why should I want a fork of lemmy when I prefer to have a fork of https://postmill.xyz/?

I prefer the design of postmil over the design of lemmy. There are things I dislike with lemmy, there are things I dislike about postmil. I don’t want a fork of lemmy, I want a fork of postmil.

@Thann
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I’m not saying what you should do, I’m saying what I would do =/

@ancom
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ok, that’s fair.

@ianrextor
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Element. I find it is a helpful tool for organizing a group

@Ripuli
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Matrix then

poVoq
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Related discussion: https://lemmy.ml/post/56112

@nikifa
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his question aims to look at alternatives, not why we should remain using lemmy or any lemmy instance.

poVoq
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Yes, but the discussion goes through several similar thoughts and thus is related to the topic at hand. I did not say this was a repost.

@nikifa
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ok, propably I missed that. Lot’s of text there. you mind writing a TL;DR?

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Just general thoughts about why lemmy.ml (and the developers behind it) might not be such a good fit for an anarchist community.

@lorabe
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What is wrong with this platform tho.

@onlooker
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I’m with @Thann, just go to another instance. Barring that, I dunno. lotide?

@libre_warrior
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The problem with lemmy right now is that there are too few instances. The instances that has momentum has a strong tankies presence which a lot of people are uncofortable with. The most natural answer would be for them to create their own instance, but they chose to leave the platform instead 🤯

@TheAnonymouseJoker
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tankies

That labelling approach is getting you nowhere. There are only so many kinds of forums you can join, at the end of the day. Some have straight up Nazi leaning, here you have a socialist leaning. Then you have centrist places like Reddit. Then there is reactionary left on YouTube and Twitter, and reactionary right on bit chute and Gab. You have furries and pedophile groomers on Discord, and every kind of person on Telegram.

You pick the forums less dependent on the political ideology, and more on if they have people with academic rigour and are filled with less stupid monkey brains, and how much toxicity you can handle at a time. The political part plays a role after this.

People that came to Lemmy are mostly people that have low toxicity buffers and also happen to have a preference for fediverse and like the darknet proxy anonymity that can be achieved here. The leftist politics only comes later.

I am personally still evaluating Lemmy after a whole year of high participation and contribution to this platform, and admins and old people here know my comments pretty well.

@Echedenyan
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We need furries in Lemmy 😢.

@lorabe
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They could absorb the entire platform in the process, like the my little pony guys in some imageboards. The level of flood back then was sometimes unbearable.

@TheAnonymouseJoker
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You bring a hell lot of cancerous things, like NSFW stuff, with that crowd. Trust me, do not ask me how I know these things.

@Echedenyan
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I have been in some spaces with furries already, not ALL content is like that.

BTW, I am furry friendly. They are cute.

@TheAnonymouseJoker
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I do not hate them either, really. But furry spaces happen to have plenty of that, since their whole social ideology is quite liberal in the first place.

@libre_warrior
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Its fair to criticize me for using the term tankies. What is a better term for one who support these countries?

@TheAnonymouseJoker
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Socialists. A certain section of people is known as communists. There are trotskyists as well. ML and non ML socialists. Stalinists, Leninists, Maoists. The last one is considered too absurd by many socialists in today’s day and age.

Calling socialists “tankies” is EXACTLY the same as calling ALL right wing or conservative people Nazis. That is how BS that sounds like.

Please do not downvote this fellow. People should know why using the term tankies for all socialists is wrong.

@Metallinatus
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Except that when people say “tankies” they are not referring to all socialists, but to the branch that supports authoritarian socialist governments, pretty much on the opposite end of the leftist spectrum from anarchism, so I understand why op would feel that way, although I will take that community any day over a right leaning community.

@TheAnonymouseJoker
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Authoritarianism itself is not a wrong thing, because corrupt “liberals” and many others always assume according to Western media that authoritarianism comes with a corrupt moral conscience. However, every single Western democracy that is part of controlling this global narrative has showed us that they are the ones with corrupt moral conscience to the point they want to proxy control other countries. This is not just USA or UK I am talking about, which are infamous examples.

@lorabe
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Couldn’t care less if they call me tankie.

@nikifa
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Here’s a list to some alternatives. Some might look to be non-alternatives at first glance, so before naming some alternatives I’d like to remind what the purpose of spaces like this are:

Communicating with others

  • writing letters to prisoners, and having an adress they can respond to. If they answer, write an response
  • walls (get some chalk, spray paint, etc). I grand you read/write access
  • zines (write/read and them circulate)
  • non-lemmy fediverse platforms
  • email lists (you can use them as if they are federated forums)
  • blogs/rss feeds
  • irc/xmpp
  • raddle.me
@shortcakefediverse
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poVoq
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You realize which community this is asked in? Raddle isn’t too leftist, but their current community is incredibly toxic and thrives on a us-Vs-them mentality. And no, I am not advocating for “leftist-unity” here, just common decency between human beings. Edit: I am tempted to call it the Lemmygrad for anarchists :p

@shortcakefediverse
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@limecool
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You can block users, add filters to remove non-sense in mastodon.

@shortcakefediverse
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@shortcakefediverse
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