I’ve been trying to find the information about how socialism has been tried, but its hard to find some solid information about the subject that does not have a strong capitalist bias. Apologies if I have failed in my search.

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What do you mean by ‘succesfully’? Most actual socialist countries are under heavy sanctions/restrictions from capitalists, such as Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela. However, they do still provide affordable, and subsidised low-income housing apartments, schooling up to the University level without charge, and freely available healthcare. They also have a degree of planned economy, so unemoloyment isn’t all that high.

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I guess I would consider what they have accomplished a success. But I guess I am looking more for any socialist countries that have not had heavy interference by means of sanctions or other restrictions from capitalist countries.

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You can’t really call yourself a socialist, if you deny the successes of previously existing, or currently existing socialist countries, like the USSR, PRC, Cuba, Vietnam, and the DPRK. Every one of these countries was not allowed to develop unhindered, from their very inception they were under brutal attack by the capitalist west.

To focus on the USSR, I highly recommend these articles:

To summarize some of the USSRs achievements:

@valkyrie
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Thank you for the well sourced and informative comment. I think I would probably place myself somewhere in between democratic socialist and socialist, so I definitely have more learning to do. I will do more reading on the sources you recommended and look further into the history. This is a good starting point, thank you!

Muad'Dibber
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No problem :)

If you’d like any book recommendations, let me know. A lot of westerners start out as “democratic socialists”, but quickly move past that after reading a few short works.

@valkyrie
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I would love some book recommendations if you wouldn’t mind sharing!

Muad'Dibber
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Sure! Dessalines has a good study plan, and there’s also a stickied list of book recommendations on !communism@lemmygrad.ml . Here’s some great introductory essays:

if I were to suggest 3 theory books to start out, they’d be:

  • Lenin - State and Revolution.
  • Engels - Socialism, Utopian and Scientific.
  • Luxemburg - Reform or Revolution.

For some good Marxist history, I’d recommend:

  • Parenti - Blackshirts and Reds.
  • Rodney - How Europe underdeveloped Africa.
  • Sakai - Settlers

Many of these you can find either in audiobook form on youtube, or free on marxists.org, or libgen.

@valkyrie
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Awesome, thanks so much! I’ll definitely start out with some of those essays and move on to your book recommendations, much appreciated!

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it depends on what you categorize “success” as. There have been various Socialist states that have achieved successes, but no state on the face of the planet is free from failure - the failures of these states are what anti-communists will posit when arguing that socialism has “failed”, even if the failure of the state doesn’t constitute a failure of the socialist system. China and the Soviet Union achieved high employment rates, low homelessness rates, the same or higher caloric intake as the United States, technological leaps the west couldn’t achieve, and social strides that again the west couldn’t achieve. They achieved variations of Socialism, their own ways. But, anti-communists will tell you both abandoned socialism, and both failed at being socialist states.

Cuba is, perhaps, one of the better examples of home-built Socialism. Despite the sanctions, they’re a leader in human rights, a leader in medical studies and a major exporter of medicine and doctors to the third world, boast low unemployment and homelessness, and have wonderful social rights. This would be a successful implementation of Socialism - and arguably just as successful as the Soviet Union or China.

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Cuba is probably the best example. The DPRK, though they removed mentions of “socialism” and “communism” from their constitution, I think are still considered socialist with no private ownership.

@nour@lemmygrad.ml
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The DPRK didn’t remove mentions of socialism from their constitution. Article 1 of the DPRK constitution, for example, already says:

The Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is an independent socialist State representing the interests of all the Korean people.

You can read an English translation of the DPRK constitution here: http://naenara.com.kp/main/index/en/politics?arg_val=constitution.

It’s true that they removed the mentions of communism from there, and for some years that word was very rarely used in DPRK media. However, since 2020 or 2021 they’re mentioning communism rather often again in political discourse.

I honestly don’t know why these changes happened. But that’s all just a lengthy discussion about words, it’s true that the DPRK is still socialist.

RED Vulpix
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I stand corrected then.

@Echedenyan
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I am not sure if this is valid but I used to check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_states article.

@Echedenyan
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I forgot to mention. In order to see if was successful or not, I use to check a translation of their constitution and laws related to economy and politics as well as the social status of the country.

The Free Penguin
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China, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos

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