• JohnBrownEnjoyer@lemmygrad.ml
    22·
    2 years ago

    Westerners stop weaponizing GRSM people for imperialism when they don’t even treat them that well themselves challenge (IMPOSSIBLE!!!)

    • cmrdMiroslav@lemmygrad.ml
      3·
      2 years ago

      All it does is harm individuals in non-western countries. I have to explain to people “No LGBT are not a western plot designed to destroy our way of life.” while the Western liberals are draping their imperialism in the rainbow flag. Of course bigoted people latch onto this to project more hate onto a minority group with no actual power.

  • REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml
    3·
    2 years ago

    Yeonmi Park couldn’t even make up her mind if here father was dead or not. Or where the alleged mountains were she crossed on her way to Mongolia. Or how it is possible for supposedly zombiefied north koreans to push around trains while being eaten by rats and eating rats.

      • marmulak
        133·
        2 years ago

        A lot of people grow up in the world not being well informed about sex and sexuality… not necessarily unique to Korea, but it is indeed possible that there is still this type of social conservatism there. Homosexuality was usually criminalized in communist countries until just very recently, and I am not currently aware of its status in the DPRK but I’m not sure I’d automatically assume that it’s a leader in that area.

        I’m guessing, if you are from the West, you have this misconception that values associated with communism are the same as they are in your country, but over here in the East it can be different. It’s no coincidence that today one of the most outspoken anti-LGBT countries in the world is Russia, and that also relates back to the country’s Soviet past. In Russia the kinds of people who want the USSR back and love Stalin, are a type of right-wing conservative who hate gays as much as they pine for lost Soviet Russian imperial power. They’re pretty much the opposite of Americans and Europeans who love the USSR today. The DPRK itself is a hangover from the USSR days.

          • marmulak
            111·
            2 years ago

            Аҳ, душмани диринаи ман… Мебинам, ки ҳанӯз ёд нагирифтӣ чӣ тавр бо дигарон дуруст муошират кунӣ.

            • 洩矢（もりや） 諏訪子（すわこ）@lemmygrad.ml
              121·
              2 years ago

              我跟你说，这叫歇后语，翻译软件不知道是什么意思的，只有在中文的语境下你能理解歇后语的意思。我本来也不希望你能理解我说的话。你自己看不懂就说别人不懂得如何交流，这真的好吗？

              • marmulak
                111·
                2 years ago

                Яъне, он қадар китоб хондаӣ, лекин ҳеҷ тарбият наёмӯхтӣ? Падарат ба ту чӣ ёд додааст? 😔

                • 洩矢（もりや） 諏訪子（すわこ）@lemmygrad.ml
                  11·
                  2 years ago

                  你学过什么？道听途说听风是雨仅仅依靠外界片面信息了解某个国家并将其视为真理，这就是你学的？我不懂朝鲜和俄国怎么样，但凭你对中国的叙述就不难看出你对朝鲜俄国的看法也同样可笑捏

    • Seanchaí (she/her)@lemmygrad.ml
      32·
      2 years ago

      Just a question: does this mean you believe that queer identities need to be taught? That people are socialized into queerness and that it isn’t something inherent to their selves?

      • marmulak
        136·
        2 years ago

        I have no opinion on this, it’s just that in traditional or conservative societies most people may not know about these matters especially if they’re taboo

        • Seanchaí (she/her)@lemmygrad.ml
          37·
          2 years ago

          In countries where being gay is literally a death sentence, people are still gay. But in a country where there are literally no laws about queerness, it’s believable that no one is gay?

          It seems like this belief can only be reconciled through an assertion that queer is taught/socialized. In other words, in order to believe that an entire society would just live their lives as straight because they don’t “know about these matters” you have to believe, on some level, that being gay is a choice and that this society is absent that choice.

          • marmulak
            137·
            2 years ago

            This has nothing to do with whether or not gay people exist, but how society views or deals with these topics. The total absence of any law shouldn’t be taken to mean societal approval. If it’s so taboo that they won’t even talk about it, there won’t be any mention of it publicly or at home, so no laws, and some people will grow up not knowing what it is.

            You seem not to be very well aware of how this works. Part of the marginalization of sexual minorities does involve pretending they don’t exist, and you may also have heard of this place called the closet but if you don’t know what that is you can ask someone else.

            If you think all gay people are open and out in the DPRK and they get treated well by society, I would be a bit skeptical.

            Like I mentioned elsewhere, communism in North Korea isn’t California communism…

            • Seanchaí (she/her)@lemmygrad.ml
              292·
              2 years ago

              Thank you for explaining to me, a trans lesbian, what the closet is. I very much appreciate it, I never knew.

              What I am saying is that it doesn’t matter how much people talk about it, or don’t talk about it, or threaten people who talk about it: being gay is an inherent part of nature. It happens regardless of socialization. It happens regardless of culture. Whether the DPRK approves of queerness or not was not the discussion. The discussion is believing that no one knows what gay is there to the extent that gay people do not exist because they do not know they are gay. It’s wild to actually believe. Truly wild.

              • marmulak
                228·
                2 years ago

                Well you are and have been for a while misrepresenting this discussion, so if you are really as knowledgeable as you claim then we can leave it here.

                • Seanchaí (she/her)@lemmygrad.ml
                  25·
                  2 years ago

                  Misrepresenting the discussion? You said “this is probably true” about a person saying they don’t even know what gay is in the DPRK. So uh…that was exactly what I was discussing. The wildly unbelievable character of such a statement, as if there was ever a society where gay people didn’t exist.

                  It’s also pretty silly for you to say it’s likely true that they don’t know what gay is, but then follow it with a comment that gay people are poorly treated. How can they treat them poorly if they don’t know what it even is?