Too much nazi shit there
nah, we must hold, we must keep explaining.
I think what’s missing from Lemmygrad that prevent me from switching to it full time are general purpose, non communism related content. Sometimes you just want to relax and look at a cat picture or non political meme, or post about the latest open source software without it having to be strictly tied to communism. For that, Lemmy.ml is useful.
Basically, if you’re thinking of defederating from everyone else, I’d like this to be a communist instance without everything necessarily having to be about communism, in the same way as you can be a communist without having literally no other personality traits, you know.
I think we’re getting there
Aw man, as a Lemmy.ml admin, I really like it when you guys go over there with that based energy and set the record straight!
Ngl, it takes a lot of restraint. Lemmy’s anarchists are some of the most willfully uneducated people I’ve ever seen, and I’ve gotten along with some cool ancoms not on here. And their libs are just straight up “scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds” stereotypes. And it’s really sickening how they view women as naturally inferior. IMO, if lemmy.ml were taken down we would lose nothing on consequence. They need to take their garbage back to reddit, and the whole project should be refocused around growing a socialist network.
As it stands, lemmy.ml’s site culture is a seed which, if planted into a larger population, will only become more disgusting.
Again, I’m an admin of lemmy.ml so I’m probably not impartial on this, but as a Marxist-Leninist, I think Lemmy.ml allowing both MLs and non MLs is helpful in the sense that ML opinions are exposed to other people. As mentioned on this thread and elsewhere, we’re never going to convince people to join our side if we’re in our own echo chambers. If we shut down Lemmy.ml or kicked out all the non MLs, all that will happen is that the non MLs will regroup into their own echo chambers and lose the opportunity to be exposed to differing opinions.
I totally understand if constantly debating against people who really don’t like your politics is tiring and not something you want to to, though. Which is why I think Lemmy.ml and Lemmygrad are complementary and not anthetical. You can stay on Lemmygrad, which is a ML only space if you only like the company of other MLs, or you can go to Lemmy.ml if you want to interact with non MLs with a all the trappings that come with that.
Also: Instance blocking for individual users is also in the dev queue, which will allow individual users in the future to stop seeing stuff from other instances they don’t want to see without requiring defederation instance wide.
Listen, my guy, we’re not getting paid to convert libs to commies. Nutomic and Dess are getting paid, but the rest of us don’t owe anything to anyone. If they’re being toxic assholes and the community would rather be far away from them, then they have every right to disconnect with that.
I’m not advocating lemmygrad defederation. But I do think that expecting them to spin their wheels going up against the brick wall that is lemmy libs is pretty unethical. This pretty much mirrors my argument with Povoq about his permissiveness of loli on the fediverse and his position that defederating from a loli-posting instance for your users’ mental health is a negative thing, which is most of the reason I don’t talk to him anymore.
I mean, no one is saying you have to try and convert them, or that you even have to interact with them or read what they have to say. You’re entirely free to block them and not have to see them anymore, I don’t want anyone getting shamed for doing that.
I’m glad you guys made lemmy open source and federated
Even at the expense of stifling growth of platform among any other ideology, handicapping creators to serve a single saturated community, when their work could’ve been adopted by millions.
you ask why we are on lemmy, but when we talk about lemmy, you are on lemmygrad
curious
I don’t think we should defederate. The admins of lemmy.ml are mostly communists, too, AFAIK; any explicit Nazi bullshit will be removed. I think it’s useful to have Lemmygrad as an alternative “hub” for anyone who joins lemmy.ml and later becomes a communist, and it’s easy to filter posts from other instances and/or block specific users
you can just block the shit you don’t like
Unfortunately, their moderation tends to go liberal with “be respectful” enforced way over “be based” and “don’t be nazi apologist” - this is one of the chief liberal methods of shutting up people as you can obviously see from the lib crowd there abandoning even the poor semblance of argument they were trying to make and focusing on this, especially on dogpiling @Catradora_Stalinism@lemmy.ml
Being respectful with those people, often is resulting with lowering the level of discussion instead of enhancing it. Bootlickers and nazis need to be told exactly what they are instead of enabling them through liberal “civility”.
EDIT: Wew, Lemmy, just wew.
This “we must be as uncivil and annoying as possible” is completely antithetical to spreading communism. You almost always hear this line from the self-described dirtbag left and chapos, and never from actual communists earnestly and patiently trying to win people over to communism.
Listen to Comrade Huey:
“we must be as uncivil and annoying as possible”
You are incredibly overinterpreting my words, there is huge difference between "we must be as uncivil and annoying as possible” and not adhering to liberal “civility at all costs” rhetorical tool, especially when you know they aren’t possible baby leftists but a trolls coming out with bad faith.
If there would be any doubt about them, you would be right. but those guys on lemmy in linked threads are obvious trolls.
I agree some of them are obvious trolls, but being respectful isn’t only to benefit the two parties, but also everyone else who is watching the interaction. Third parties will be much easier swayed to communism when they realize its defenders are respectful, level-headed, disciplined, and people they wouldn’t mind meeting in-person.
A simple way to put it, is we need to be more like fidel or huey or uncle ho, and less like angry youtube manchildren or brooklyn podcasters.
Lemmy.ml is giving too much leeway to American apologia. Let them make accusations against China or USSR, but any comparison with American in which it is shown in positive light should be discouraged. It should be a bare minimum requirement.
Learned my lesson the first time with flagship instances on Mastodon. I can’t repeat it enough: flagships are for new users to federation until they find where they mesh. I don’t know that defederation is a great idea as a result, but I avoid the flagships at all costs myself to dodge the inevitable liberalism and other trash.
We’re trying to make Lemmy.ml not the flagship instance, we don’t really want to have a flagship instance for Lemmy at all. Not only do we no longer advertise it as such, instead saying it’s for leftists, we actually have a note in the sign up page saying “this one isn’t for everyone, look at your options before signing up”.
Still, I totally get where you’re coming from. People do assume we’re the flagship instance despite it, so I guess we still kind of are in that regard.
I get that. I think a lot of people see the “leftist space” description as a challenge, or worse yet, they don’t even read it. I inherently don’t have a problem with the grand majority of Lemmy.ml, I just know the problems I’ve seen with the influx and anarchists the last few weeks were tiring and reminiscent of my issues with Mastodon.
It’s actually kind of funny how mad some of the anarchists got in light of what you said elsewhere in the thread, because they acted like we needed to just stay in our space.
No. Lemmy is federated, let’s keep it that way.
Wrecker posts are less amusing on lemmygrad than they are over on hexbear where the entire community dunks on them immediately.
This place really needs to get a radar for this shit. 1 day old accounts making posts trying to split you and the other site are very obviously wreckers up to nothing good.
Lemmygrad doesn’t have issues spotting wreckers. Lemmy has problems with bad actors and lemmygrad users get banned from there for handling it like hexbear users. So they’ve learned to avoid Lemmy, which promotes libs to mod positions.
I dunno, I kind of like dunking on them and being rude
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Oh hey, cool stuff! I was using the app and it didn’t give me any hint as to where the post originated - web interface does though. Sorry about that!
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