I was recently thinking about buying an elecrtic scooter/bike to get from point A to point B, with everything so close in a city, and traffic being bad. What are your thoughts on cycle-lanes, and cycling/scooting in general?

    • @roastpotatothief
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      Don’t forget about people who need to drive cars.

      The old and weak, people with young (or many) children, people trying to carry a lot of shopping, people who have a long daily commute…

      Don’t make life even more difficult for them.

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        • @roastpotatothief
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          That’s the 10% I’m talking about!

          It sounds easy, until you walk a mile in their shoes. For many many people, you just need to use a car. For example, I know less than ten people on my road.

          • one has two children. Have you ever tried getting two children on a bike?
          • one is only able to get to the shops once a week, so she has to do huge weekly order that fills a car boot.
          • one is not able to walk (nevermind cycle) 50m without sitting down for a rest
          • one has family in a rural area who he needs to visit frequently

          And these are people who live in an urban area, and (mostly) own and use bikes frequently already.

          These are just examples from a very small sample size. Think how many other cases there are. You have to accommodate people who live differently from you.

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          • @handvat
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            BIke with two children and parent 2 children on a bike? Seems doable. Or what about a carrier bike, if you have more? Carrier bike with many children

            I admit that these children are all quite young, but starting from age 6, children should be able to cycle by themselves. (Note: this opinion is from a Dutch perspective)

            I’m not against cars by the way, you could own a car and several bikes. Use the bike when possible and the car for everything else.

            • @roastpotatothief
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              Yes, it could work, if the town is flat, and you never need to go more than a few miles. Or if there’s a very good and fast bus network and you can carry bikes on the bus.

              For example, somewhere i used to live, it had a free bus for the decrepit and old, that went around the whole town and passed every house. So if you wait long enough, the bus will take to your destination, door to door.

              But even then, there will still be a few people who need their own cars.

      • @blank_sl8
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        The diagram includes a bus. Good public transit goes a long way.

      • Jakob :lemmy:
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        Don’t forget poor cardrivers implies ALL the time “forgett ALL others”.

        “Everyone must take care” always implues in discussions “go away fucking cyclists, pedestrisns and public trnsport. Let us cardriver get the whole city”.

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          That’s just a perspective that could only make sense in a culture I’ve never met. In all the places I’ve ever lived, most people use most modes of transport - cars, bicycles, buses, trains, and foot. There are no “cardrivers” versus “pedestrians” versus “passengers” versus “cyclists”.

          Sounds like you have bigger problems than just bike-lanes can solve.

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            You never lived in vienna/austria. Am i right? You never had discussions with ÖAMTC, FPÖ, SPÖ or ÖVP-People? You never hat discussions about new cycle-lanes vs parking-space in an austrian town like vienna, linz or graz? You never hat discussions about own lanes for bus or tramway in one of this cities?

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              What’s it like in Vienna? Sounds this issue is quite politically-charged and polarised.

              It reminds me of how people approached the issue ten or twenty years ago.

              Hopefully the Viennese will get over that stupid argument, like other peoples already have.