China divided as WeChat deletes LGBT accounts from platform
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Dozens of LGBT social media accounts run by university students,were deleted without explanation.

They apparently announced they would delete all posts related to homosexuality back in 2018 but backtracked after outrage but I guess they’ve felt its been enough time that people won’t be paying as much attention now =\

  • Muad'Dibber@lemmygrad.ml
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    3 years ago

    This is current line of struggle, especially between the younger and older generations. Interestingly, different sectors of the media have different approaches: CGTN for example is very progressive on LGBT issues, while weibo seems more regressive. Some good vids:

    • NXLOP
      4·
      3 years ago

      hm, interesting thank for the links

        • Muad'Dibber@lemmygrad.ml
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          3 years ago

          big demonstrations for instance which would encourage such discussions are not that common.

          There are plenty of LGBT groups, and they all have full rights to protest and raise awareness, just as much as unions do. One of the vids I posted above references one such group.

          i don’t know much about how these discussions are in practice but i imagine that the older generations have much more actual power in these discussions, altough the younger generation might be present.

          I’m not too aware of internal party discussions on this, but the NPC, the largest and main governing body of the does have younger members, but it does skew older and male.

          There are zero female politicians in positions of high power it seems, for instance the president.

          The NPC is currently 25% women, so they do have some work yet to do in that area. However when you compare that number to other countries, its about average. Also doing better than the US, Ireland, Greece, and a lot of others. And of course socialist Cuba is the model for all countries to emulate with respect to women’s rights.

          Also wanna mention that ever since the cultural revolution in China, the societal focus on women’s liberation has been astounding: women have received free birth control since the 1960s ( this isn’t available in the 2020s in the US), communal kitchens and child care.

          This lack of political power leads sometimes to riots, for instance the stonewall riot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots - and i think in china something like that would be very impossible because it would be seen as danger of counterrevolution

          Strikes are a fairly common occurrence in the PRC, and usually get the support of the government.

          So when people want real change (so for instance female politicians in high positions of power) instead of endless debates without changes, in “western” countries the solution to that is to start a riot to gain attention and force a response.

          This is true in all bourgeois democracies, because there is no democracy for anyone but the rich, and recourse through government channels is impossible, so only riots outside the system can address its ills. That’s not the case with the PRC, which has a fluid working class democracy. I apologize for not being as well read on those internal debates as I can’t yet read Chinese, but I’m sure they’re happening, otherwise its clear that even the state-run media like CGTN wouldn’t be so pro LGBT. And again, this is mostly a generational issue that’s not isolated to one country.

          So in short: this is a good example why i don’t trust china. communism/socialism is interesting but the big authoritative rule in china is bad because riots and demonstrations are healthy for democracies.

          Actual working-class democracy is so incomprehensible to westerners that they can’t imagine a system that’s responsive to its people without riots. This is because governments are not neutral, multi-party bourgeois democracies are in fact capitalist dictatorships, while one-party socialist states are worker’s dictatorships. I suggest reading this thread on worker’s congresses to learn about just one such organ of China’s responsive democracy.

  • null_radix
    121·
    3 years ago

    In other news, LGBT people delete WeChat and install federated opensource platforms such as matrix.

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      3 years ago

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  • ghost_laptop
    78·
    3 years ago

    From what I’ve read somewhere I dont remember they deleted posts from a collective that was against CPC, not everything LGBT related.

      • ghost_laptop
        56·
        3 years ago

        Because it is different to be against LGBT in general rather than being against a group which opposes communism. Still, I although I don’t know the specifics I feel they should have been more sensible since it probably wasn’t going to be detrimental to the party.

    • NXLOP
      62·
      3 years ago

      why even comment this if your not going to include a source? Just seems like an odd comment

      • ghost_laptop
        33·
        3 years ago

        Because that is what I remember reading, I never said it was a fact?

  • 9toitoi5
    13·
    3 years ago

    this is good news…twitter can do whatever they like and so WeChat. Private company as they say.

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            • CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml
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              3 years ago

              What you call “communist nations” call themselves socialist. Maybe you think socialism is social-democracy i.e. Scandinavia or some parts of Europe. It’s not, as they are still capitalist.

              so maybe that’s your issue.

              I don’t see where the issue is? I pointed out socialist and communist nations in parentheses.

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                • CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml
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                  3 years ago

                  Are you saying China is socialist, not communist?

                  Yes. But first let me point out that you spoke about communism in general, and not China specifically, when you said that “so many in western countries love the idea of communism when this is precisely what it leads to” – I assume what it leads to is lgbt-phobia? Regardless, this specific argument is about that exact part I quoted, that communism precisely leads to something.

                  China does not claim anywhere that they are a communist country. They only talk about socialism, because they are not yet in a communist phase.

    • m532
      32·
      3 years ago

      Stuff like this makes me sad. Why do people hate teamwork? Why do they hate new ideas? Why do they hate progress? Why do they always have to look down on others?

      • fidibus@lemmy.161.social
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        3 years ago

        I feel like apart from this being a cheap shot many people are talking about the communism of the UDSSR and modern day china when they say communism bad but ultimately don’t oppose the values that communists have.

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    • NXLOP
      37·
      3 years ago

      has nothing to do with communism this is just authoritarians being authoritarian

      • CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml
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        3 years ago

        Then is it not authoritarian when the government promotes LGBT rights against popular lack of support? Say if a population was highly phobic and the government said “whatever, gay people can marry now”.

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          • CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml
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            3 years ago

            I’m going to take this opportunity since you are not the OP to point out that you’ve evaded the question. Obviously when I wrote promote I did not mean the promotion of ideas, I meant passing legislation, as I exemplified in the latter part of my comment.

            But when they directly force actions based on said idea,

            So like any government ever?

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              • CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml
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                3 years ago

                We’re just gonna run in circles here so let me just leave with this:

                No. Does the U.S., for example, force gay marriage, or merely say it’s “allowed”?

                That’s obviously a false equivalence. Who is out there forcing people to gay marry lol. Government passes legislation and that is in itself an authoritative act; in the case of passing legislation to make gay marriage legal, this went against the wishes of the homophobes – authority was enacted against them (and it’s a good thing). This is not a judgment, but an observation: all governments are authoritarian by nature.

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