I’ve not heard of it before but a problematic lemmy user who got banned multiple times for sinophobia and other bigotry/harassment has became a mod of a Political Compass Memes sub on there (they haven’t it’s a lemmy thing, my bad) and the posts on that sub are already rolling out the sinophobia.

This isn’t meant to be a brigade against one user or platform, it’s more I’m shocked that sub has being allowed given the abject shit takes and bigotry that meme sub reddit generates and I find that concern tracks when past problematic users are being made mods for it.

Or is that just another lemmy instance? Ngl it all gets a bit confusing for me trapped here on lemmygrad.

Edit: I think it’s a lemmy.perthchat sub not a beehaw sub, apologies for any confusion. Still PCM is a disgrace regardless and the fact there’s one connected to lemmy now is a bit 🤮

  • CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml
    26·
    2 years ago

    The reason people are talking about us on other instances is because we’re the most active one barring lemmy.ml, which was the original and became the one new users congregated to, period. Look at our stats on the side: 100 active users in the last week (active users have performed at least one action in the timespan), 175 over August so far.

    What does beehaw have? 19 users this week. Sopuli: 13. All the other instances are mostly dead.

    This is nothing compared to hexbear (a fork of lemmy) which has no public stats but 20k registered users. (but hexbear does not federate yet).

    We scare them. We’re vocal. We use federation how it’s meant to, to talk to other instances. They can’t match that because they don’t have the numbers.

    • 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml
      18·
      2 years ago

      Ok let’s be fair here, even Hexbear users will tell you a lot of those accounts are Fed/wreckers or dead accounts. It’s still more active than any lemmy instance by far but there’s maybe 1k of those accounts actually being active at most. I was quite active over there before joining here from the GenZ migration. I still go there now but I like it here way more. I’m not shitting on Hexbear. It saved my sanity when ye old Chapo sub got banned from Reddit. I even donate to them. I just prefer the more communist focused content and China love over here.

      • Lenins2ndCat@lemmygrad.ml
        11·
        2 years ago

        There are 1500apx accounts actively commenting in a 14 day period on Hexbear. There are 9x more who are logging but not commenting, 1:9 participation to lurker ratio is a pretty typical distribution in most communities

        • 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml
          8·
          2 years ago

          When I say “active” I did mean actually commenting and engaging. So the random number I pulled out my butt was not too terribly far off. I do tend to also brows individual coms and when going off the main page traffic drops pretty sharp and often it feels like a lot of coms are somewhat dead unless one of their posts randomly makes it to the main page. Although that doesn’t surprise me too much. A lot of what we go their for is just lefty news and stuff. If I wanted cat pictures or to talk about cooking or fermenting foods I’d just go to reddit or something.

          I do find it interesting how, despite the significant increase in overall traffic at Hexbear, both there and here has a similar trend of having a handful of users that tend to comment in just about every major thread. Which I think also gives the impression of a smaller user base when you see a small number of familiar commenters everywhere you look.

          • Lenins2ndCat@lemmygrad.ml
            11·
            2 years ago

            I do find it interesting how, despite the significant increase in overall traffic at Hexbear, both there and here has a similar trend of having a handful of users that tend to comment in just about every major thread.

            It’s not a new phenomenon. It’s pretty well understood and I’d definitely say subreddits and lemmy follow this rule, ultimately the only way forwards is massive growth to raise the pool of that that 1% and 9%.

            90-9-1 rule

    • comfy
      5·
      2 years ago

      Linking a relevant post I made (2 months old) for anyone curious about the popularity of various instances, including those that don’t federate.

      https://lemmy.ml/post/287918

    • Shaggy0291@lemmygrad.ml
      3·
      2 years ago

      I recall that we had a discussion on here at one point before the GenZ migration about whether or not lemmygrad should resist growth for fear of the culture being hijacked. If I remember right, most people felt that growth was great provided it was organic and at a manageable rate. When the GenZ migration took off, I was personally concerned it may have been a little too much, too soon, but it seems that things have played out ideally for the time being. It clearly helped a lot that there was virtually no gap in the consciousness of the GenZ crowd and the existing community at the time, allowing for a mostly smooth switch for them to the ready made platform of Lemmygrad once they were given the boot. I can’t imagine a better outcome, honestly. By and large, we’ve succeeded in taking in membership in digestible chunks with relatively little trouble, well beyond my own expectations. I anticipated a greater need for mod oversight, but this need hasn’t materialised at all.

      As you highlighted, we’re currently the loudest and most active instance by miles, to the point where all federated instances are beginning to feel the influence as we crowd them out. Hopefully we can maintain this dominance and continue to hold up Lemmygrad as an oasis for people with our politics that find themselves increasingly ostracised and alienated from the reddit swill pit. In terms of a growth model, we honestly just need to kick back and watch as people with our politics are pushed out of conventional spaces. We’re ready and waiting for them. Hopefully we can keep riding this wave as smoothly as we’ve managed thus far, but I still won’t rule out caution when it comes to the need to foster a greater mod base. I’m currently keeping my eye open for anyone hoping to take on such responsibilities with the communities I made back in the day, particularly /c/documentaries. It’ll be nice to have the bases covered well in advance should there come a time when we grow to a level that requires more management.

      • CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml
        3·
        2 years ago

        Restricting accounts to an application has definitely helped retain some of that culture. Also, as with all massive growth, many will leave after some time for whatever reason and not come back. I’ve definitely noticed an uptick in activity this month though, probably because it’s vacation time.

        Many communities don’t have active mods anymore or were created by admins, but fortunately as admins we can act on any user or post in the instance so as long as the admin team is active and remains close-knit, we won’t have too much trouble.

        When the GZD exodus happened we had 150 new accounts to approve every day, it was crazy x)

  • Lenins2ndCat@lemmygrad.ml
    24·
    2 years ago

    As far as I can tell it’s a lemmy version of /r/tankiejerk run by neoliberals. It’s function and existence on lemmy appears to be to perform the same function as tj and other punch-left spaces that were created by sketchy sources on reddit. The goal very much appears to be to punch left from a neoliberal ideological position while barely hiding the fact they are neoliberals.

    Crypto-neoliberalism in the left has become a thing and I don’t think people talk about it enough, there’s a lot of neoliberals posing as various shades of leftist while pushing neoliberal imperial core nato supporting positions. The goal of crypto-neoliberal activity within the left is to disrupt the rise of an anti-imperialist left by being a fake imperialist-supporting left.

    • Ratette (she/her)@lemmygrad.mlOP
      14·
      2 years ago

      I know what you mean about crypto-neoliberalism. I mean at this point it’s just crypto-fascism with a less provocative name tbh.

      • Lenins2ndCat@lemmygrad.ml
        15·
        2 years ago

        Yeah it is but there’s a difference because they don’t (and never would) self-ID as fascists. They’re a different and considerably more competent crowd to the people that have nazi flags inside their homes. They’re a much more dangerous enemy to us tbh.

        I liken this behaviour to the same behaviour of the neocons that took part as trots punching left in previous movements. Competent and educated crypto-liberals whose sole purpose in left spaces is to harm the left. They concern me considerably more than the actual nazis as they have a real potential to harm us. Structural and organisational methods are needed to counter the tactics they bring to the table and we must stay ahead of them so that their approach to us is a reaction. If they take the initiative and get ahead of the left instead of chasing us around all the time trying to do their thing we will have a serious problem. They will lead us by the nose at that point.

      • CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml
        6·
        2 years ago

        Due to the nature of the project you can’t really prevent people from starting their own instances, there’s apparently already a couple for reactionaries…

        But it’s open source software that anyone can install on a server, so there’s really no way to prevent them from using it.

        However other instances are able not to federate with them, which is already the case here for lemmygrad for example. We’ve blocked known reactionary instances and thus they can’t interact with us and we can’t interact with them.

  • FossilPoet@lemmygrad.ml
    18·
    2 years ago

    Beehaw is one of the places where the libs go who have begun investigating federated spaces for whatever reason and discovered that such spaces aren’t the bastions of confirmation bias toward their ideology that corporate social media is, so they decided to just reinvent that same nonsense on their own here as if we needed more of it.

  • ☭ Comrade Pup Ivy 🇨🇺@lemmygrad.ml
    18·
    2 years ago

    I have not spent a lot of time there, so I cant speak from experience, but from my peaking arround it apears to be a liberal instince, dedicaded to the appearance of civility, with a rule against “sealioning” a term so broad that I feel can be used to ban asking for any evidence as trolling, and banning down voting.

    Unfortunately, lemmy’s join page is pushing them because of an effort to appeal to a “more mainstream audience”

    They also seem to be quite vocal in there opposition to lemmygrad.

    • RedSquid@lemmygrad.ml
      16·
      2 years ago

      This is a severe problem with Lemmy, ‘more mainstread audience’ means a more liberal audience, which means a more fascist audience. That’s what reddit is for and lemmy should not just become another vector for the Nazi States of America to promote their terror.

      • Arsen6331 ☭@lemmygrad.ml
        6·
        2 years ago

        That’s why Lemmy being open-source and distributed is so nice. Lemmygrad is not part of lemmy.ml or any other instance. It is hosted separately, and only federates (connects) to other lemmy instances. If at any point, things get out of hand, we can always defederate from other instances and become completely separate, with no fascists or libs.

    • Ratette (she/her)@lemmygrad.mlOP
      13·
      2 years ago

      Yeah I just saw the sea lion rule which yeah when it’s on a very clear black and white issue such as trans rights i agree with its intent because I’ve seen transphobes and terfs requesting evidence as a bad faith argument/harassment technique but as you highlighted it can also be taken advantage of to just gives libs any excuse to make up bs about globally southern countries and roll with it so that rule seems a bit poorly implemented.

  • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml
    161·
    2 years ago

    They got PCM on Lemmy? Like… how did that even happened?

    Also some lib made “shit_fascists_say” community. Shit’s wild there.

  • HiddenLayer5
    13·
    2 years ago

    Lemmy instance political affiliation guide (grossly oversimplified and keep in mind there are always people of every policltical view on any sufficiently large instance, but IMO okay for a general, bird’s eye view of the ecosystem):

    • Lemmygrad is hard-line “tankie” communist.

    • Lemmy.ml is this weird but interesting bridge between hard-line communists, general leftists, and libs. We do actually have plenty of MLs on our instance, but we also have libs, and we federate with both Lemmygrad and general lib instances. Kind of this hodge podge, which is why lib-commie drama tends to take place on Lemmy.ml.

    • Wolfballs, Exploding Heads, and friends are conservative/neonazi. These are instances that Lemmy.ml doesn’t federate with.

    • I think there’s one instance that federates with literally everyone.

    • Every other instance is liberal or centrist.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmygrad.ml
      7·
      2 years ago

      I would expect that projects like Lemmy predominantly attract people who are far enough left so that they’re pushed out of mainstream liberal spaces such as reddit. This is why Hexbear and Lemmygrad are far more active than liberal instances like beehaw.

      When liberals come to Lemmy they experience a reverse culture shock of sorts where they’re not the majority view and I think this is what really stirs them up so much. All of a sudden people are challenging things they’ve been treating as facts and this scares them.

      I think there is potential for some people to be educated in the process, but for the most part they just add noise and drama for the sake of it.