Well it depends what type of “communism” we’re talking about. Fascism has usually a pretty clear understanding: repression of political dissent, emphasis on a national feeling and a sense of unique destiny to destroy/conquer whoever disagrees, various forms of eugenism (in the sense of killing people because they’re homosexual or handicapped), the cult of work as a duty to your homeland, as in some cases also strong racism (to my knowledge this is not a feature of italian fascism, but rather other forms of nazism/fascism).
So now, what is communism? According to marxists and anarchists, communism is the stateless, peaceful, egalitarian society. However, marxists believe an intermediary step is required to reach communism: the dictatorship of the proletariat, which has led to countless deaths and suffering. So if “dictatorship of the proletariat” is your definition of communism, then i would almost agree with you “communism” is just as bad as “fascism”. However, there still are some differences:
women’s rights (and often gay rights) are faring well under marxism-leninism ; that is, women are equal in their right to be exploited by the State
most leninist regimes, despite their atrocities, are not known for putting forward racial theories and committing genocides (although Stalin in the USSR had quite some genociding on his hands)
So no, it’s not the same. And in any way, most people you will meet through life will talk about communism as the principle free and equal society. That is, the abolition of privileges (remember 1789?) and freedom and equality for all. In this anarchist understanding of communism, then really there’s nothing wrong with communism.
This was my understanding as well. The open source nature of Lemmy means that if fash want to to have their own circlejerk instance, they can set it up.
Although, I’m wondering how the federation works. Will such an instance automatically federate with this one, or can it be manually blocked from such? I still remember all the hubbub on Mastodon after Gab set up their own instance, but I never really understood the technical part.
removed by mod
卐=☭
deleted by creator
Bump for “hacker” news.
Locking this, if I want to read why Antifa is bad, I can just go to Reddit.
Fascists mad
Fascists mad
o7
☭
deleted by creator
very cool
Being antifa is as bad as being a facist.
Totally true. Also being a communist / socialist is as bad as being a fascist.
So is being anti-communist just as bad as being a communist? How deep does the rabbit hole go?
Well it depends what type of “communism” we’re talking about. Fascism has usually a pretty clear understanding: repression of political dissent, emphasis on a national feeling and a sense of unique destiny to destroy/conquer whoever disagrees, various forms of eugenism (in the sense of killing people because they’re homosexual or handicapped), the cult of work as a duty to your homeland, as in some cases also strong racism (to my knowledge this is not a feature of italian fascism, but rather other forms of nazism/fascism).
So now, what is communism? According to marxists and anarchists, communism is the stateless, peaceful, egalitarian society. However, marxists believe an intermediary step is required to reach communism: the dictatorship of the proletariat, which has led to countless deaths and suffering. So if “dictatorship of the proletariat” is your definition of communism, then i would almost agree with you “communism” is just as bad as “fascism”. However, there still are some differences:
So no, it’s not the same. And in any way, most people you will meet through life will talk about communism as the principle free and equal society. That is, the abolition of privileges (remember 1789?) and freedom and equality for all. In this anarchist understanding of communism, then really there’s nothing wrong with communism.
Free association + Mutual aid + Solidarity against domination = <3 Short introduction to anarchism i wrote in another topic
deleted by creator
deleted by creator
deleted by creator
Distributing pallets of bricks at protests is pretty damn bad… Not that most of antifa does that but large elements of it do encourage violence.
The police literally did that
That doesn’t invalidate the fact that antifa protestors did too, which I believe was the point of /u/I_Mod_Things comment.
Citation?
deleted by creator
Thanks for the laugh.
Glad to hear it :smiling face with smiling eyes:
deleted by creator
It’s insane how the greater concept of “antifa” is automatically associated with violence when it literally stands for “anti fascism”.
I don’t condone violence on either side, but I say be against the concept of fascism or GTFO of this forum.
That’s authoritarian
deleted by creator
“please leave my party (I have set up a bunch of party supplies by the door you can take to host your own party)” is… not… authoritarian?
This was my understanding as well. The open source nature of Lemmy means that if fash want to to have their own circlejerk instance, they can set it up.
Although, I’m wondering how the federation works. Will such an instance automatically federate with this one, or can it be manually blocked from such? I still remember all the hubbub on Mastodon after Gab set up their own instance, but I never really understood the technical part.