I know people are saying Shanghai is a shitshow because of the local government. But do you think it might have been a bad idea in general to deploy such a harsh policy in the country? (asking in good faith as someone who would not mentally survive such long lockdowns)
if everyone did what china did, there would be no covid.
so… extremely favorable. by “letting it rip” world leaders started a huge uncontrolled experiment on the masses. who knows what the virus will do to us 10 years after the fact.
After the world does what China did, there will be no transmissible respiratory disease whatsoever. The PRC has illuminated the path to a world without influenza, rsv’s, rhinovirii, etc. And it will happen.
That’s simply not true. Pathogenic bacteria like streptococcus and pneumoniococcus can quite happily survive in the wild, on a host (with or without symptoms) or a vector for forever. Same is true for many viruses.
What China is doing is very sensible for Covid. Don’t turn it into something it’s not.
I hate natural reservoirs! I hate natural reservoirs!
Not with capitalism still running rampant like an even worse disease
As an American, literally anything is better than what we got. A million people are dead. A million people.
The U.S. government giving up on mask mandates (which are the bare minimum imo) just goes to show how little they care about human life. It’s almost funny that their “national security” justification for empire applies to China and the imperial periphery but not covid.
If you care about reducing COVID deaths then what China is doing is the only way to make it work. Local government in Shanghai def botched it a bit but people will be ok. Western media hates it because we’ve accepted that old and immunocompromised people are what we are willing to sacrifice, and Chinas zero tolerance policy affects the “worthy” people negatively (even if only temporarily). Some people may be uncomfortable, hungry, or stir crazy for a few days, but in a few weeks they’ll be living normally again. If the US had chinas population we’d likely have 4 million dead by now!
Most impressive thing I’ve seen a government do in a long time, very happy about it
After some weeks of lockdown you get to live life completely normal COVID free
If you look at other third world countries, they have had pretty lax covid policies and the results have been catastrophic.
India had a pretty strict lockdown at the beginning but because of zero social support networks and rabid neoliberalism it was not viable in the long term. Currently the official death toll sits at around 521,723. However, excess mortality studies have shown that the actual death toll is 5-9 times of this.
Same goes for other third countries like Brazil, Russia etc. though I am not sure of the actual numbers.
Now the question is what should China do instead of enforcing a zero-covid policy? They can take the “let the poors die” that the rest of the world has done. The result of this will be that a cool 2-5 million people will die. This is not even taking into account the long term effects of the disease on the survivors. How is this any better than what is happening in Shanghai currently?
The correct approach seems to be to ensure that their zero-covid policy is enforced better. There is loads of room for improvement, like taking proper steps when an outbreak is detected for the first time, to more humane approach to lockdowns, like ensuring that basic material, mental and emotional needs are met.
Here on brasil more then 600.000 people have already died (those are the registered numbers, its probably a lot bigger) but by now most of the population is vaccinated, 75% already have the second dose, and its only now that most states are lying down the most severe laws. If we look at the state of our goverment, its a miracle that we are not in the sad state of the US by now.
I would still prefer 10 times more the china laws then what we got.
From the same Lancet study, it says that Brazil’s covid toll when estimated from excess mortality is 1·28 (1·18 to 1·37) which is not too bad. (Link to table.) I expected it to be a little bit worse.
Simple:
USA Deaths- 984K
PRC - 4K
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I think the zero-Covid strategy has not only preserved lives in China, but contributed to the increase in valuation of the Yuan since western supply chains are disrupted by it. A net win for the CPC, no?
Well western stategies are basically allowing people to die just to not disrupt business. So for options you have either human sacrifice to mammon, chinese strategy or complete isolation.
And the Shanghai for some reason is cited as the failure of it, while it is a glaring and excellent example what happens if you become negligent in enforcing the strategy.
Shanghai is a proof that chinese strategy works.
It’s wonderful. I would say that China’s covid policy is what made me support the current government.
I am mentally ill and lockdowns aggravated that. I admire the harsh policies because it saves physically ill people’s lives. My “mental illness(es)” help me have solidarity with those people, I wouldn’t put my own health above theirs.
But if you think China’s policies have only been “long lockdowns” and “uwu #stayathome”, you are misinformed.
It’s so funny how much of a conniption all the people in decaying colonial cores have when they see a still-functional government trying to care for its population. “Muh cheap Chinese labor! Line not go up enough!” LMAO
Based policys. China is just playing the long term game, millions would haved died if china did not impose the zero covid policy. And it was worth it, look at the US, dozens, and even hundreds of thousands are getting contaminated and killed by the virus every day, and the goverment literaly cant do shit.
Policies that value human life over profit show off the spiritual core of socialism and are necessary in order to draw a clear line in the sand. They draw a radicalizing contrast and are a subtle way to export revolution. I firmly uphold the zero covid strategy.
Good, but I hope they develop better ways of isolating real problems and being able to distribute necessities throughout the city.
The people complaining on the internet are people who don’t get food, but that’s not all. (Of course there are plenty of reverse nationalists who do the same). Food distribution has been going on, but it will take time. Because there are not enough people in Shanghai to serve 30 million residents
I am optimistic that China can still contain this outbreak, and I think they are absolutely right to try. The sad thing is, next time it breaks out, the virus will have evolved into something more communicable; and at some point a zero-Covid strategy will be as viable as a zero-Common-Cold strategy. China will have to strike a balance between just allowing Covid to run rampant like the West does, and on the other hand expending massive amounts of resources on pinning down a germ that will, in the not-too-distant future, begin to do less damage than seasonal influenza.
xpending massive amounts of resources on pinning down a germ that will, in the not-too-distant future, begin to do less damage than seasonal influenza.
Well, until it co-infects some camel that also has MERS. There’s no promise, after all, that it will do less damage. MERS had a 50% mortality, it just didn’t infect humans very readily. There are still potential end-of-the-world scenarios ready to manifest.
As a Mexican, I wish we had China’s zero covid strategy. Look at our death toll, everyone here knows someone whose aunt or grandparent was killed by Covid. People who were fine otherwise and would have lived longer. There’s nothing more valuable than someone’s life, and we’ve been desensitized to see these huge death numbers on the news every day. Heck, the whole world should have followed China’s policy, but capitalists had other opinions.
