EDIT: I’m interested in how a free Palestine would play out in terms of what that would mean for women, gays, children, people of non-muslim religions, in terms of personal freedoms, etc. For the average citizen/denizen what would that look like?
Obviously similar to neighboring countries like Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan.
Hint: It is obvious you are trying to propagandize in favor of Israel. No, no possible answer to your question justifies anything Israel has been doing.
lists four completely different countries
refuses to elaborate
I think its fair to ask an objective “what would a free Palestine look like”
I’m interested in what life would be like for folks there.
Young people seem so different when they don’t have a physical or emotional gun to their back, I actually entertain the idea that young Palestinians (with aid and world collaboration) could work towards—I dunno, like Pakistan or something. I don’t know a lot about all the geopolitics but Pakistan is seperate from India, thats an achievement that seems similar
It’s not a success. Two-state solution is a failure. Be it India-Pakistan, East-West Germany, North-South Korea or Sudan-South Sudan.
As someone from India, the two-state solution for India-Pakistan was a massive disaster. One of the worst man-made catastrophe. Rape, murder and violence between different ethnic groups, it was horrible. People were forcibly displaced to the other side of the country, leaving behind their ancestral village and belongings. This destroyed their culture and their language, stripped their identity.
These states were divided to satisfy the egoes of the two major political dynasts, Nehru and Jinnah, and as typical of pretend-socialist liberals, they were supported by the Hindu Mahasabha and the All India Muslim league.
Pakistan forced the use of Urdu, an Indian language, because their native languages had Devanagari-resembling script, and for that strong Muslim identity they went for a language with a Farsi script… except that the language was Khadi Boli (a language from UP) with borrowed Farsi words.
Well, what about India? They went ballistic sub-nationalist. State majoritarians forced language on vulnerable groups, including mine (obligatory middle-finger to the Basel Mission and Kannada chauvinists).
Later, Pakistan’s ethnic cleansing and rape of Bengalis, especially Hindus in East Pakistan (East Bengal) backfired, and the country broke into three. Cut to 2024, the people of Kashmir suffer even to this day.
If only the Indian communists from the HSRA had not been betrayed by the INC, a greater India with none of the communal B.S. would have existed. There would have been no Hindutva or Deobandi extremists jump around and squirming like cockroaches. And we have two countries armed to the brim with nuclear weapons.
Better than the blockade in Gaza and the apartheid system in the West Bank they’ve been living under for the last decades.
I don’t think it would be a model in terms of human rights, doesn’t make Israel’s actions any better.
Palestine
at least I’m not the only one thinking that
Edited post, what other different arab nation?
Economically, somewhere between Qatar and Lebanon. Palestine’s sea near Gaza has a rich source of oil. They also allow ships to cross through, which is a nice source of income. Culturally, they probably have something in common with the Lebanese and Egyptians.
Thanks for this answer specifically ;) I have to remember it all makes me a better thinker (“i’m in my hapoy place”-style)
They would definitely have some kind of mandatory military service instituted. I don’t think they would ever trust their Zionist neighbors.
Culturally and economically speaking, it would be very similar to Lebanon or Syria in my opinion.
Defensive tho or offensive?
Take your pick lol. Israel did settle on their land in the first place. They’ll probably be a good chunk of Palestinians on both sides of that question. Some who just want to finally enjoy peace and freedom. And some who want to make sure that what they’ve gone through for the past 70+ years never happens again. No one that is not Palestinian can fault either of those 2 opinions.
Japan
Whys that?
I think they will have a strong will to work really hard to rebuild and will have a good mix between modernity and tradition like Japan
I’ve read that population-wise, Palestine is over 50% young people/children. Do you think that might be key to a generational refresh that allows for compromise in producing a solution at some point if all the pieces can line up?
What kind of compromise?
A two-state solution? Palestine is objectively less-developed and economically-developed than Israel, I don’t think its realistic there’s going to be a “river to the sea free of israel” type situation. Not sure whether thats what is actually being advocated for but it also seems like a point that keeps coming up over and again as I read about this.
If Israel had a far more moderate government where the leader wasn’t criminally compromised, do you think it would be possible to come up with some good enough good-faith joint effort to relieve some of the tension points and allow for change?
I don’t believe the older generation don’t want a two state solution. The problem with the two state solution proposals was always biased towards Israel and have almost no flexibility in discussing the terms. I think a one state solution makes more sens
I’ve watched videos with Palestinians lamenting the good old days when they had a job that was either in Israel or with an Israelli firm that paid much better and it makes me really question whether this is about religion or past stuff at all. I wonder if all Palestinians who are offered a better life thru gainful employment and modern peaceful lifestyle with the modern amentities wouldn’t warm to the idea of a pluralistic and perhaps closer to 1-state solution altho I also understand where the Israelis are coming from in terms of not wanting the muslim baggage and ongoing concerns that creates.
Religions that create such a conviction that there’s another better life you can arbitrarily access if you do violence in your god’s name are inherently antithetical to modern life and cohesion so I get that they would be reluctant if it came to that. There would very likely be a non-zero number of civillian deaths and incidents that would immediately be blamed on any unification
