EDIT: I’m interested in how a free Palestine would play out in terms of what that would mean for women, gays, children, people of non-muslim religions, in terms of personal freedoms, etc. For the average citizen/denizen what would that look like?

  • SunlitSorceressEnglish
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    7 hours ago

    I’m interested in how a free Palestine would play out in terms of what that would mean for women, gays, children, people of non-muslim religions, in terms of personal freedoms, etc. For the average citizen/denizen what would that look like?

    Well the future doens’t permit accurate predictions.

    Ahmad Yusuf, the deputy foreign minister of Hamas, said in 2010 that he wanted a country like Turkey, not like the Taliban:

    According to Yusuf, who said he is writing a book called “Erdoğan and a New Strategic Vision,” the Taliban is “opposed to everything,” including education and women’s rights. “Erdoğan’s model, on the other hand, is liberal. It is a model that dares to take responsibility and change things and establishes good relations between the religious and secular elements of society,” he said. “It is a model that works for democracy and human rights, and supports an open society. That is what we want.”

    inb4 Woids saying Erdoğan isn’t liberal enough for them: homosexuality is not criminalised in Turkey, Bülent Ersoy is a major celebrity.

    I’m not praising Turkey, I’d see Erdoğan gone if I could, I’m just getting some facts out b4 Woids say Turkey is Muslim therefore intolerant. It has freedom of religion too.

    Also worth mentioning that Ahmad Yusuf is one politician among many, expressing one possible vision for the future of Palestine. There are other political currents swirling internally.

    • cheese_greater@lemmy.worldOP
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      7 hours ago

      Thats a very interesting case example. I will have to learn more about Turkey, altho it seems like the Democratic part is doing a lot of heavy lifting relative to what I’ve heard about Turkey being like Hungary in terms of democratic realities. It is impressive that they don’t have the usual antihomosexuality laws and hangups other Muslim nations have.

      Then again, they probably couldn’t be part of EU with something like that on the books, no?

      • SunlitSorceressEnglish
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        5 hours ago

        Then again, they probably couldn’t be part of EU with something like that on the books, no?

        It’s got nothing to do with the EU because it goes back hundreds of years. Ireland joined the EEC 21 years before legalising the gay.

        the usual antihomosexuality laws and hangups other Muslim nations have.

        This is overstated by liberals who want to create a “West = pro-gay”, “Rest = anti-gay” narrative

        I’m not sure it has ever been true that the Woids love gays and the Muslims hate them.

        PDF warning: “Europeans at the beginning of the nineteenth century referred to same-sex relations and homoerotic behavior as the “‘Persian disease,’ ‘Turkish disease,’ or the ‘Egyptian vice’ ””

        Scholars wrote “Persian literature is essentially a homosexual literature”

        Contemporary to this, the Brits are doing Oscar Wilde to death for sodomy. And the Ottomans were gaying it up, creating the modern idea of a Turkish Bathhouse. And which Empire governed Palestine until 1917? And which Empire took it over after that?

        It was the British who passed anti-gay laws in Palestine, it having been legal under Muslim rulers.

        Don’t buy into the liberal idea that Muslim=anti-gay. Have you ever been to Afghanistan? Gayest culture I’ve ever seen.