Cargo e-bikes generally have a battery capacity limit of around 25 miles (which batteries aren’t meant to be fully drained every time they’re used anyway).

Any suggestions that don’t include the use of cars in a carpool or moving?

Is “Fuck Cars” a pro-city/anti-rural philosophy?

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No. This community is about getting city people who could easily just use a bus not to clog the roads, cause accidents and pollute simply because they want some extra comfort or convenience. Anyone stating anything beyond that is either delusional, or wishing for a really good public transport network.

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Thank you for this straightforward and clear answer. This makes more sense.

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Hi. I live in the Cascade Mountains of WA. Essentially Amazon (Fuck you Jeff) or Walmart or similar delivery is about the only option. Often you can carpool with someone. I plan and buy groceries / supplies once each month. If you are in an area that has no public transportation then hitchhiking is a viable options as it’s not considered weird in those types of communities.
An e-bike isn’t going to cut it, especially in the winter. The problem is going car-less in a society fundamentally based on owning a car.

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I’ve hitch-hiked myself when I needed to get to a metro area. I am too ashamed to do it in a smaller area, though, where everyone knows me. its a safety issue as it is often those you know a bit who rob you or hurt you. Sometimes e-Bay delivers certain types of food, but I found, at least for my soy shake, that Sam’s Club (BigBiz) was cheaper. A problem I had in rural areas with delivery is that the packages are often left at the farm gate where anyone driving by could look at them (I had nosy neighbors) or steal them. The delivery times were often a day or more off, so leaving the farm gate open was not a safe option for me (I am a single female).

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Is “Fuck Cars” a pro-city/anti-rural philosophy?

Pretty much, yeah. The only place where cars make a hell of a lot of sense is out in the sticks where everything is spread out for miles around. In urban centres this obstacle doesn’t exist, as everything is concentrated in a far more manageable distance.

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I can’t believe you didnt figure this out before, but maybe your car died. idk. You might consider asking an elderly nieghbor who is on a tight budget if you can pay him/he to take you once a month and in exchange you could help him/he carry groceries and pay for their gas. As an added bonus, if that person is single, your seeing them once a month (or more) would mean you can help monitor their health and safety. Ex: If you say that they were suddenly not walking or driving well or that their house or car weren’t doing well, you could bring it their attention or maybe to the attention of family. I had a relationship like this with women in her 80s for a while. I usually had a car - as did she- but a few times we each had trouble of various kinds and were able to help each other out. I have trust issues and knew she was too old to be much of a threat to me - though she did call the cops to do a welfare check on me after I didn’t respond to her calls for a month- that pissed me off to no end.

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I reckon bicycle-related solutions are totally viable at these distances, but the challenge is variable depending on your situation.

So much depends on where you are. What sort of terrain do you have between you and the things you need? What’s the weather like through the seasons? What are the road/path conditions (and car drivers!) like?

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Driving in rural areas is less of a problem because there is more space to waste, there won’t be congestion because of low population density and there probably won’t be enough fumes/pollution in one place to seriously harm anyone.

So yes, I wouldn’t mind someone driving a car in a rural area as long as:

  • either an electric car is used or fuel is not subsidised and is carbon taxed (if it is not carbon taxed you are essentially stealing from everyone else)
  • the people who use the rural roads pay for the infrastructure
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I mean, I hate cars yet I probably use either a family member’s or a friend’s car every now and then, or will take taxis. It’s not about, do anything possible to not use a car (although if you can, better, I guess) but it’s about changing the way we as a society rely on cars. In fact, I believe even in a society where trains are predominant there are still scenarios where certain people will need electrical automobiles, mostly in rural areas for people who need to move a lot around specific hard terrains. Your case, though, could be easily solved with trains.

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Your case, though, could be easily solved with trains easily solved

while I agree with a lot of your post (certainly more informative than the others), I disagree that the issue could be easily solved. There is a lack of political will (at best) and an outright hostility (at worst) to the very idea of trains and public transportation.

What I tried to say is that it could easily be solved in the sense that the solution to your problem would be easy if your country would be willing to spend some money on infrastructure, but that will never happen simply because liberal democracy is incapable of doing anything to prevent the climate crisis, therefore it will never stop relying on cars.

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Then is the point of this community just to vent frustrations without actually changing anything because its pointless? I mean that’s fine, I guess.

I mean, most of the communities regarding any kind of politics tend to be pointless in the sense they achieve nothing, that’s what I think of /r/antiwork for example. I don’t think you can fight back the lobby done my car manufacturers within a capitalist society if that’s what you’re asking. I’m here because I like seeing posts that reinforce and serve as facts about how poorly designed is the urban model that uses cars as its main transportation mechanism.

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Thank you for your opinion.

@GenkiFeral
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I am an odd mix of being a capitalist (anti-fascims, though) and an environmentalist (naturally, that includes tree-hugging, veganism, and minimalism). Political discussion has its place, but in the wrong forums just makes some of us feel out of place.

Well, this is a community about politics, so idk.

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@GenkiFeral
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drops of water in a bucket can add up to a full bucket

Let’s think about this in the terms of material reality of the working class. What kind of improvements have been? Has the life of an interesting amount of the proletariat gotten any better? In that case I think /r/wallstreetbets is probably worse than /r/antiwork because that people tend to steer towards different forms of rightism, at least the anti work movements are an introduction into possible branches of leftism which could end up radicalizing a few people. Maybe if anti work would have traction in another country, like for example India, or almost any from Africa, I could think there’s a chance of it becoming in something that could bring change, but since it’s happening in the US I don’t think the proletariat there can do much against the biggest militarized state of the entire world. Still, I’d rather this a thousand times before having a right wing movement having lots of followers.

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@GenkiFeral
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Listing problems is fine, but constant complaining drives some people away.

@GenkiFeral
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there is noise, pollution, crime, and wildlife habitat destruction with trains, too. In one area I lived, i could hear the train blow its horn 5 miles away - despite all of the forests in the area. A ride share program would be a nice idea - even if it only included 5 houses in your area once a month. A local tax service might be willing to allow you to divide the cost up amongst you all - if they had a mini van or larger SUV (many in rural areas don’t, though).

It’s fine, in the future you could get some solar and your next car could be electric. Less than 1% of people are in your situation though.

@GenkiFeral
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as long as you don’t expect the rare exceptions to live or think the way the many live and think, well - good. Individual needs and desires matter. Society is made up of individuals, after all.

Yes that’s true, but today it’s the opposite. Today the individual is forced to use a car in many cases, because of a lack of other options.

@beansniffer
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Fuck Cars and everything that is and has been designed around and for cars over people.

your next car could be electric

I thought this community hated cars as a concept which would include electric cars?

I think like that, fuck electric cars, too.

I think like that as well, but I don’t have a better solution for this persons problem right now. Also what I said doesn’t necessarily conflict with this.

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Electric cars are better because they don’t emmit greenhouse gases or toxic fumes, but they do share much of the other problems cars have (take up space, dangerouse, congestion).

Also Lithium mining is often not very environmentally friendly

@GenkiFeral
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Lithium mining looked horrendous. I saw the documentaries about various types of mining. But, all-or-nothing is lazy thinking (or not thinking). If roads or paths were made for those not using cars that were nowhere near cars, maybe let those using cars worry about space, danger, and congestion. As for air and toxins, that affects us all and is almost impossible to contain no matter how hard people try.

get it delivered, or grow food yourself

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Getting food delivered would not only be outrageously expensive but it also requires a car on the road. It is not very practical to grow 100% of a family’s caloric needs without spending many hours every day outside working (I would love to see a guide that shows how to do this) and there are plenty of necessities that just can’t be produced on a single plot of land.

If anyone that was rural followed this advice, they would be a large amount of rural people living in poverty and there would be an even larger disconnect between urban and rural populations.

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exactly! deliveries still require a vehicle - whether it is yours or someone else’s. As for growing your own food, it is healthy in so many ways - sun, exercise, fresh air, and the nutrients are far, far higher in produce freshly harvested then immediately cooked without eating leftovers. It is very hard, though. Poverty isn’t great (I don’t love it), but sometimes you must sacrifice to live by your values. But, working from home has greatly increased, so for those with internet (Hughe’s usually in rural areas), this could mean not living in poverty. As for a disconnect between populations isn’t that part of diversity? i think it is okay - especially considering we have internet now, so can see what others are doing, saying, thinking - we are no longer isolated in our own little bubble - unless that is our mindset, our choice.

@GenkiFeral
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John Jeavons has an EXCELLENT book about growing your own food and goes into excruciatingly fine detail (I love details!) about square footage, food costs, how much of a food is edible (the corn plant is mostly inedible material, so not a good choice). His videos are online and I think I found (then lost) a free downloadable version of his book, too. Growing dark leafy greens yourself is the smartest way to start out. Make a long bed 4’ wide by 8 to 12’ long. You can cover it when it is cold out.

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I lived for 23 years on 15 acres - 10 miles from the nearest grocery store. When my car died when the 2008 recession hit, i had to bike to and from the store. i had to buy extra tires (inner and outer), extra brake pads, a light for the handle bars, a pump, water bottle rack, sturdy backpack, and a rack for over the back wheel - but I made the trip there and in the opposite direction to work -over 25 miles daily - for a 14-month period. i love the country and felt the hard ship was worth staying there. i wish I had planned better, of course. I’d’ve had a backup bike and wouldn’t bought the parts before the car died. Also, in some areas, as long as you don’t drive on the road, you can use a scooter or ATV on the sides to the road to get to the store. Not easy once you get into town or in more residential areas. I had may rescued pets, so that made it 10X harder.

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This community exists as a sister community/copycat community to the r/fuckcars subreddit.

This community exists for the following reasons:

  • to raise awareness around the dangers, inefficiencies and injustice that can come from car dependence.
  • to allow a place to discuss and promote more healthy transport methods and ways of living.

You can find the Matrix chat room for this community here.

Rules

  1. Be nice to each other. Being aggressive or inflammatory towards other users will get you banned. Name calling or obvious trolling falls under that. Hate cars, hate the system, but not people. While some drivers definitely deserve some hate, most of them didn’t choose car-centric life out of free will.

  2. No bigotry or hate. Racism, transphobia, misogyny, ableism, homophobia, chauvinism, fat-shaming, body-shaming, stigmatization of people experiencing homeless or substance users, etc. are not tolerated. Don’t use slurs. You can laugh at someone’s fragile masculinity without associating it with their body. The correlation between car-culture and body weight is not an excuse for fat-shaming.

  3. Stay on-topic. Submissions should be on-topic to the externalities of car culture in urban development and communities globally. Posting about alternatives to cars and car culture is fine. Don’t post literal car fucking.

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