No need to name your country or the party or any personal information that would give away your location.
Doing okay-ish. Grew from 16k members in 2020 to 26k+ active members right now, which is pretty good for a party over here. Our party organizes in local groups that tackle local problems. We have like 10% of the votes I think. We keep growing and we’re active in a lot of places, constantly mobilizing people.
We have 15 free healthcare clinics at the moment. The largest Union with 1.3 million members is starting to follow us on a lot of points. We have two municipalities in the country under our control, with good results.
But more needs to be done.
That type of progress can’t be undervalued. More will always need to be done and I hope it does! Glad to hear some good news out of your country. Solidarity to you and your comrades!
You’re building revolution, comrade.
Damn that’s solid as. Even 16k is amazing compared to Germany (especially per capita), but another 10k in 2 years is crazy good progress - you love to see it.
We have 15 free healthcare clinics at the moment. The largest Union with 1.3 million members is starting to follow us on a lot of points. We have two municipalities in the country under our control, with good results.
That’s awesome, wish we had that kind of infrastructure and influence here. Our communist parties are struggling to stay relevant in any matter at all even in the big cities.
Our communist parties are struggling to stay relevant in any matter at all even in the big cities.
When they’re not bogusly being blocked in participating in the elections lol
Zaaaaaaamn you’re light years ahead of us!
Where is this 😩
Belgium, unless @DankZedong moved back to the land of the Dutch
Belgium indeed. The Netherlands is in a worse shape unfortunately.
I knew I already saw you out yourself way way earlier but I couldn’t remember…very interesting, not a place that jumps to mind when I think about countries on the edge of real change but then again admittedly I know very little about either
The Netherlands
Where?
Belgium, though I’m originally from The Netherlands, hence some confusion
The Netherlands
That’s impressive. Great job comrade!
Badly. Its ran by reformists and is extremely revisionist. Not to say much bad about the rank and file, a lot of them are based but that is also a huge issue with them, I’m willing to say the majority of the membership is quite based but they become succdems the closer to leadership they get. Indicates to me that something is structurally wrong with the party as the views of much of the rank and file are not reflected by its leadership. Took the democratic out of democratic centralism.
US btw.
When you can tell exactly what party the guy’s talking about just by knowing the location and how it operates:
Which party? 👀
I’ll let you figure it out for yourself. He given 2 good hints.
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Yeah.
I know you wrote this a week ago but if you’re still interested in organizing, I would recommend the FRSO. Here’s the link: https://frso.org/. If you want to join, read through the program. For membership, there are two tiers. General members are those who cannot fully commit to doing revolutionary work; they pay 20 dollars a year and agree to the program. Cadre are bound by demcen and they are actively working towards building a communist party. FRSO strictly abides by demcen, the application of which can be explained through: https://frso.org/main-documents/on-marxist-organization/. Also, FRSO utilizes mass line as explained by: https://frso.org/main-documents/some-points-on-the-mass-line/. Feel free to ask any questions that you have.
I thought about joining them as they seemed good. Issue was that they don’t exist in my area.
How do you think work in an area starts? You apply on the website stating that you want to be cadre and National sorts it out. If there is an existing district near enough, you’ll be connected with them. If there’re other gen members or cadre in that potential area, National can figure it out. Districts and cadre don’t come out of anywhere, it takes effort to actually get that going. Just apply online and National will reach out, if it doesn’t work out, it doesn’t work out.
Their party platform is pretty much what I would advocate for, such as upholding AES, supports demilitarisation and peaceful co-operation in the SCS, East Malaysian autonomy, expansion and de-commodification of social welfare, and I think especially important in Malaysia, non-communalist politics.
Their position on Russia is much more critical than most people in this site, but I completely understand why.
Despite being at the fringe with no parliamentary representation, they were at the forefront of progressive policies such as the minimum wage. And continue doing important work on the ground, helping workers on the ground, even if national media would rather ignore it and continue slandering them for red scare points.
Their main issue is garnering support and members in generally, but especially support from the other ethnic groups and further escalation with state security forces if a certain coalition gets into power, which seems likely coming the next election, if nothing changes.
Considering that all left-wing parties and unions were banned, infiltrated and propagandised by the state in the past, they take a very smart and cautious approach and marks a significant triumph being the longest lasting socialist party in post-independence Malaysia.
Barely even exist online, even less irl.
Hope it gets better! What do you think needs to be done to change that?
Absolutely no idea. Basic communist labour didn’t worked.
Poland is just so fucking poisoned with decades of anticommunism
As for other parties in the UK like CPB and CPGB-ML, the former is revisionist and advocates for labour whilst the latter is more principled but transphobic. So uhh yeah. It’s not going great.
Sounds rough. Hope things get better in the UK. Anything progress being made?
From what I see so far, no, not really. The only real thing is the YCL (part of CPB) gaining more members than the actual CPB themselves.
CPB also suffers from prominent transphobic elements.
That’s so bad. I would’ve joined CPB even if its revisionist because I wanna do praxis.
Most of my beef is with the YCL, but they are the youth wing of the CPB so I view them as an entity sharing beliefs as well as problems. I personally had a dispute with their Facebook admin (of both CPB and YCL) who was also the head of their London branch of the YCL, and while that’s all anecdotal, she pointed out that the BRS contains a passage whose wording is, as the kids of today would say, sus. In the context of talking about transgender people, it also states the need to ‘protect the rights of women and girls’. Its understanding of sex and gender is also pretty lacklustre.
That doesn’t even go on to the poor handling of a sexual assault case they had as well as the gloating YCL members displayed when RFB went defunct. Even the Trotskyists I know were upset to hear that RFB fell apart.
CPB isn’t bad and has improved in recent years, imho.
But of course, I’m not British so maybe I’m wrong.
I’ve also heard from one person that it suffers from transphobic elements. And even then, it wouldn’t reduce the fact that they still continue to adopt ‘Britain’s Road to Socialism’ since the days of CPGB (not to be confused with CPGB-ML), which focused on supporting the Labour party. They still continue to adopt this path, and they won’t get rid of it. Also note that CPB doesn’t support Scottish independence.
I’ve heard quite the opposite, especially in recent years, but I could be wrong as they don’t really take a lead in, well, anything involving trans issues and trans liberation.
I find that absolutely palpable. It’s hard not to notice. From what I can tell (although I have heard the opposite about how it is internally improving in this regard), they prefer to avoid such topics altogether for the most part.
I suppose since they’re in SolidNet, it wouldn’t do for me to criticize them on this front. But even so, I feel that it’s noteworthy the lack of decisive stance on such matters regarding trans rights and liberation. I’ll just end it there for now.
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Very good 👍
In Brazil? We’re still organizing. Theres UP, PCR (which is not recognized) and PCB (do not confuse with PCdoB). But they’re too few to do any significant work beyond their own communities at the moment. We have quite a few centre-Left, pseudo-Left (a lot are neoliberal) and revisionist parties, like the PT itself which is in power now being the former.
However, since the pandemic, a lot more people have been radicalizing. In the short term? I do not see any significant change. But it may be different in the coming years. After all, we haven’t had our own week where decades happened yet.
Solidarity to you and your comrades in Brazil. Hope victory comes to Brazil!
Thanks, comrade! I hope so too.
the only communist party I’m aware of is the egyptian communist party. i only discovered them last year and haven’t had much time to research them, but they seem to be okay from some light skimming. i don’t think they have any seats in parliament. as far as i know the other existing “left” parties aren’t communist.
there’s no communist or “left” party with a significant following here and also the existing parties in parliament are all shit. it’s bad out here.
edit: name corrected.
As a USian, probably DSA (rad-lib), or CPUSA (leadership is revisionist, much of it’s probably based).
What do you see as the most important task of people in the US, specifically the communist parties and comrades alike?
Frankly? I think some coalitionary politics will have to be made by various communist parties going forward as we go in strength.
But we’ll see.
100% this in Italy too, we have like 20 communist parties no joke, If we are so disunited we can’t even think of winning a seat in the parliament let alone a socialist revolution, we must put away our differences at least for the time being, we did this in the first elections of the Republic and the popular front took half of the votes if I’m not mistaken.
Frankly, it may be a necessity, not even something we really have a choice in.
PSL and WWP are much better than either CPUSA or the Democrat shills at DSA.
I am asking just purely of curiosity, what makes PSL and WWP better than the CPUSA? Not taking either side here, just curious your reasoning.
CPUSA has a lot of solid comrades here, and we should never dismiss the party outright, as it has many dedicated younger members.
However their national leadership and “old guard”, and specifically their media organs like peoplesworld, are not the best, and tend to do a lot of “democratic party strategizing.” I won’t link any posts directly, but you can do a search on here, or just look through some of kind of articles the editors of peoplesworld tend to write.
Of course no party is perfect, and many comrades are doing their best to steer the org in a revolutionary direction. They’ve also had many wins in the last few years, coming out against patsocs, and against US funding the war in Ukraine.
Do you think the CPUSA is heading in the correct direction given their recent wins?
I think so.
Thanks. I like the leadership of the CPUSA, but of course, I’m biased.
I prefer Joe Sims’ direction to the direction of John Bachtell previously and especially Sam Webb.
I really wish people would give us a chance and maybe learn our history, but people either learn about, say, Earl Browder (and assume that that’s the CPUSA in a nutshell) or they assume that the 1930s period was the height of it and that’s that.
Nobody seems to learn of our history beyond the 1930s. It sucks. There’s a lot to tell, even in the now-overrated 1930s and especially outside of that period.
Would you post / summarise some of the history in other posts? Maybe in a community where mods will take a hard line so as not to create a situation where your explanation gets derailed (perhaps subject to expected levels of questioning, etc). It can be hard for outsiders to learn this stuff.
It seems that every
westerncommunist org has some dodgy stories attached to its name. I assume most of this is intended to undermine those parties, but it’s hard to know for sure and one doesn’t really want to associate with terrible reactionaries whatever their aesthetics (this is not directed at the CPUSA, btw, about which I know very little).I may, but it’s not my job and I may not have the time, but I can try.
The main thing for me is that they do not cling to the delusion that helping democrats in their electoral politics is going to achieve anything. Any party that wastes its time campaigning for democrats or democrat-affiliated politicians is not a serious communist party. That being said, i am aware that there are many good comrades in the CPUSA, but the overall strategy of the party at the national level seems to me at this time to be erroneous.
I disagree, and I think there is a lot of assumptions about what the CPUSA does.
We are not allowed to endorse Democrats and even had a brief schism about the whole thing which resulted in the ouster of Sam Webb back in 2014 (which, I mean, good riddance).
We have tried to run our own candidates in recent years, particularly at the local level. Plans are drawn up to run other candidates and, of course, Joe Sims is pushing people to do so. But it’s honestly hard, especially with the fact that, true enough, we didn’t run candidates for a long time and many are too old or too young, from what I can tell.
Outside from that? We participate a lot in labor unions (such as the particularly famous Amazon union in New York) and it’s arguably our main strength and we do indeed do mutual aid.
I mean, more to the piont: there’s a lot that the CPUSA does that doesn’t involve anything having to do with elections. We’re a political party (which means we are obliged to run candidates or at least have an opinion on the matter, even encouraging members to vote) but, of course, we’re an activist organization as well, like much of the communist parties on SolidNet (admittedly, that’s sort-of a watered down version of the Comintern of old, but it’s good for sharing ideas, international connections, etc.).
I do believe that @muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml has the right of it, even if he may say things I may not say about the organization myself.
Well then if that is the case i may have been misinformed, and i apologize.
What is the CPUSA’s stance on NATO vs Russia/China if i may ask?
And are there plans to organize anti-war rallies like the recent one put together by the Libertarian Party? Because i find it very disappointing that the libertarians of all people - who otherwise can only be described as unserious clowns - were the first to actually put one together and not the left. I find what that says about the state of the anti-war left in the US quite discouraging.
We already have done so.
CPUSA did simp pretty hard for Biden during 2020 though. They, just like every liberal outlet, painted him as some savior of democracy against fascism. When in truth, Biden is just a quieter fascism. Hell, their subreddit was one of the most libshit places I’d ever been. Ended up getting banned after getting into an argument with a mod about if voting is revolutionary (they claimed it was!).
CPUSA didn’t simp for Biden in 2020 lol
It really did, at least their paper did. Every article was “We must stop the rise of fascism and Biden will do just that!”. On r/cpusa they post like every article that party pushes and it was pure Biden simping. Most pro union president and shit. My view of the party comes from its publications (as its still not really impactful in terms of actions, at least not in my area as its so tiny) and it was pure liberal nonsense. “Voting is a revolutionary act!” Sounding stuff (yes, an article said that).
Aren’t they trot orgs? And does WWP exist? I’ve never seen them. Even PSL I’ve seen (but my local PSL is terrible, helped cops kettle protestors during BLM) and are usually good from what i heard.
but my local PSL is terrible, helped cops kettle protestors during BLM
where was this?
Philly. Also was some sex abuse scandal recently I think. Pretty sure my chapter garbage. Wild national hasn’t done anything about it though (at least not that I’ve heard).
They are not Trotskyist but they split from SWP which was Trotskyist. PSL and WWP both support AES.
I see. They aren’t ML as far as I know though right?
I think they are ML.
Really? They follow dem cent and all that? Honestly shocking. In that case why are they and WWP different orgs?
PSL split from WWP in 2004 but I don’t know why. I know PSL holds congresses to elect their leadership like most ML parties.
I disagree.
There’s also PCUSA and other more irrelevant, but based parties
No, I disagree with this as well; I find their constant attacks against my org to be annoying and, often, me and my comrades are essentially ignoring them while they focus on lobbing insults are way. I’ve often tried not to get involved in online arguments with them (well, except for one particular time that was a big exception), but they seem belligerent, even with other orgs, despite some very real issues that their org seems to have that they never even address when confronted about it. That’s what makes their tiff with us annoying, honestly.
They’re pretty based for what I can tell, but they do have a bit of the grudge against CPUSA. I don’t know too much about it though. Have you heard of Gus Hall? All I know of the dispute is PCUSA says he was a leader in early CPUSA, and they don’t talk about him, and are forgetting their roots.
I do not like them because of the amount of PatSocs that tend to join the organization, never mind Chris Helali being in it.
To be honest, their grudge goes back to their founding in 2014, when admittedly the whole Sam Webb affair came to its climax and he was ousted from the party. Angelo D’Angelo obviously had had enough after that, but honestly, some of his and his members attacks against the party seem to either indite everyone or not taken into account the realities of the time, in my honest opinion.
Of course, the truth is, I wouldn’t care about PCUSA either way and, in truth, did not back then when I eventually joined the CPUSA, but of course, I find their attacks against us annoying and so it seems I’m forced to sometimes contend with them online.
I hope the organizations can figure out their differences and reunite in practice if not in name, not sure what I could do about it as I’m not even a member.
It’s fine and yes, that would be for the best, I believe.
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Who’s that?
This isn’t proof, but a general summary:
https://reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/jdtlmh/what_the_hells_up_w_christopher_helali/g9fxg0x
He ran for political office in Vermont, and PCUSA really advertised it at the time.
Yeah, Chris Helali is bad news.
Gus Hall is actually highly talked about in the current CPUSA.
That’s good, I’m guessing they’re just assuming that CPUSA hasn’t improved since they left.
If you want to join an org that is actively working towards building a communist party, I would recommend FRSO. Here’s the link: https://frso.org/. If you want to join, read through the program. For membership, there are two tiers. General members are those who cannot fully commit to doing revolutionary work; they pay 20 dollars a year and agree to the program. Cadre are bound by demcen and they are actively working towards building a communist party. FRSO strictly abides by demcen, the application of which can be explained through: https://frso.org/main-documents/on-marxist-organization/. Also, FRSO utilizes mass line as explained by: https://frso.org/main-documents/some-points-on-the-mass-line/. Feel free to ask any questions that you have.
I’m already involved with another one
Leadership of CPUSA is not revisionist.
Comrade, what do you think about this article in particular?
It was meant to make fun of trends at the times regarding Marxism and Marxism-Leninism.
In truth, this was how many communists in the USA and in the West thought, even if they changed since then. People are taking an article that was made in jest and turning it into something that it isn’t and it certainly doesn’t reflect the co-chair’s views now nor the National Committee of the party.
In truth, beyond that, I don’t think much of it, I suppose.
All I know about them on that front is that there were some pro-dem tweets or something. I did not mean to insult you.
Oh no, it’s fine! I didn’t mean that you were being insulting. My apologies.
The PCE (Partido Comunista de España) has actually a seat in the government coalition but they haven’t been communists since the 70s. There are a bunch of other communist parties but you have to sort your way through the patsocs, reactionaries cough Frente Obrero cough, transphobes and revisionists. As in most other imperial core countries, the left is in a very bad state
Are you spanish? Frente Obrero, i think, is a fascist element in tne MCE. We have to fight him in all the sites that are possible.
Totally agree with you, comrade. Thankfully the mods have purged most reactionaries from this site (although they rear their stupid head from time to time)
Anyway, I joined the CPUSA.
First year was rough.
Now I love it.
Why was it rough? Why do you now love it?
I was at odds with the Program, immediately, but now I’m not.
Badly, even considering the fact that they were considered unconstitutional for much of the 20th century.
Hope the situation there improves!
Like I mentioned in the other thread, the Communist Party of Canada is doing very poorly here. Completely out of touch, their platform is essentially economism, tons of internal infighting and scandals, they are a paper organization and are basically at the same place they were 30 years ago, if not worse.
It could be argued that there are Trotskyist groups here that have similar numbers to the above, but they are beset by the same problems and are also extremely annoying and sell their shitty newspaper.
I hate to say it, but the only option that has any promise is the Democratic Socialists of Canada. They are far more radical than the DSA and not affiliated with mainstream parties.
Trotskyists do like the newspapers. Makes me wonder how they keep it up. These things aren’t cheap to produce for small readerships.
insert CIA or NED joke here, im too lazy to make it
Is that seriously it though? Because I was wondering the same thing. When I was radicalizing I joined one and it was honestly the first red flag…I was like “damn yaall are out of touch”
Spotting ‘bad politics’ is the key way to spot agents, according to Sakai.
essentially constant psychological warfare/guilt tripping against their members to pay a tithe
Like an MLM scheme, but the other kind, the multi-level marketing scheme.
French communist party is dogshit and the more I learn the more I think it always has been. Youth wings and local sections might be ok though but the national level is pure cringe most of the time.
A student organization that they have a relationship with FCP (I’m not sure what that relationship is) have an Instagram account full of anti-China shit… https://www.instagram.com/les_jps/ They scrawled graffiti on the outside of a Confucius Institute🙄
Big eew. Never heard about this org though. Also their name is really sus since they’ve included “patrie” (=patroitism) and “socialist” which is more often used as a synonym for socdem in France
“… party is dogshit and the more I learn the more I think it always has been.” Any party whose reputation mimics that of the CPUSA is truly depressing indeed sad to say. I am surprised. Although I am generally ignorant of the politics of the pension-related actions, the level of organization and intensity are impressive. If there were 1 movement I would want to see for my country, it would be that.
Yes actually France is very unionised, every big mobilization (except for the Yellow Vests) is due to the major unions with millions of members. Problem is, no mobilization in recent decades (including the Yellow Vests) are linked to a greater political project. Worse than that, the unions all have a syndicalist ideology that makes them refuse any meaningful alliance with a political movement. It somehow allowed them to survive cold war propaganda so I can’t blame them too much, but then they are useless on a revolutionary standpoint.
Ah I see. That’s a shame. Thank you for the insight.
I have no idea, tbch
