CPUSA has a lot of solid comrades here, and we should never dismiss the party outright, as it has many dedicated younger members.
However their national leadership and “old guard”, and specifically their media organs like peoplesworld, are not the best, and tend to do a lot of “democratic party strategizing.” I won’t link any posts directly, but you can do a search on here, or just look through some of kind of articles the editors of peoplesworld tend to write.
Of course no party is perfect, and many comrades are doing their best to steer the org in a revolutionary direction. They’ve also had many wins in the last few years, coming out against patsocs, and against US funding the war in Ukraine.
Thanks. I like the leadership of the CPUSA, but of course, I’m biased.
I prefer Joe Sims’ direction to the direction of John Bachtell previously and especially Sam Webb.
I really wish people would give us a chance and maybe learn our history, but people either learn about, say, Earl Browder (and assume that that’s the CPUSA in a nutshell) or they assume that the 1930s period was the height of it and that’s that.
Nobody seems to learn of our history beyond the 1930s. It sucks. There’s a lot to tell, even in the now-overrated 1930s and especially outside of that period.
Would you post / summarise some of the history in other posts? Maybe in a community where mods will take a hard line so as not to create a situation where your explanation gets derailed (perhaps subject to expected levels of questioning, etc). It can be hard for outsiders to learn this stuff.
It seems that every western communist org has some dodgy stories attached to its name. I assume most of this is intended to undermine those parties, but it’s hard to know for sure and one doesn’t really want to associate with terrible reactionaries whatever their aesthetics (this is not directed at the CPUSA, btw, about which I know very little).
The main thing for me is that they do not cling to the delusion that helping democrats in their electoral politics is going to achieve anything. Any party that wastes its time campaigning for democrats or democrat-affiliated politicians is not a serious communist party. That being said, i am aware that there are many good comrades in the CPUSA, but the overall strategy of the party at the national level seems to me at this time to be erroneous.
I disagree, and I think there is a lot of assumptions about what the CPUSA does.
We are not allowed to endorse Democrats and even had a brief schism about the whole thing which resulted in the ouster of Sam Webb back in 2014 (which, I mean, good riddance).
We have tried to run our own candidates in recent years, particularly at the local level. Plans are drawn up to run other candidates and, of course, Joe Sims is pushing people to do so. But it’s honestly hard, especially with the fact that, true enough, we didn’t run candidates for a long time and many are too old or too young, from what I can tell.
Outside from that? We participate a lot in labor unions (such as the particularly famous Amazon union in New York) and it’s arguably our main strength and we do indeed do mutual aid.
I mean, more to the piont: there’s a lot that the CPUSA does that doesn’t involve anything having to do with elections. We’re a political party (which means we are obliged to run candidates or at least have an opinion on the matter, even encouraging members to vote) but, of course, we’re an activist organization as well, like much of the communist parties on SolidNet (admittedly, that’s sort-of a watered down version of the Comintern of old, but it’s good for sharing ideas, international connections, etc.).
I do believe that @muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml has the right of it, even if he may say things I may not say about the organization myself.
Well then if that is the case i may have been misinformed, and i apologize.
What is the CPUSA’s stance on NATO vs Russia/China if i may ask?
And are there plans to organize anti-war rallies like the recent one put together by the Libertarian Party? Because i find it very disappointing that the libertarians of all people - who otherwise can only be described as unserious clowns - were the first to actually put one together and not the left. I find what that says about the state of the anti-war left in the US quite discouraging.
CPUSA did simp pretty hard for Biden during 2020 though. They, just like every liberal outlet, painted him as some savior of democracy against fascism. When in truth, Biden is just a quieter fascism. Hell, their subreddit was one of the most libshit places I’d ever been. Ended up getting banned after getting into an argument with a mod about if voting is revolutionary (they claimed it was!).
It really did, at least their paper did. Every article was “We must stop the rise of fascism and Biden will do just that!”. On r/cpusa they post like every article that party pushes and it was pure Biden simping. Most pro union president and shit. My view of the party comes from its publications (as its still not really impactful in terms of actions, at least not in my area as its so tiny) and it was pure liberal nonsense. “Voting is a revolutionary act!” Sounding stuff (yes, an article said that).
I am asking just purely of curiosity, what makes PSL and WWP better than the CPUSA? Not taking either side here, just curious your reasoning.
CPUSA has a lot of solid comrades here, and we should never dismiss the party outright, as it has many dedicated younger members.
However their national leadership and “old guard”, and specifically their media organs like peoplesworld, are not the best, and tend to do a lot of “democratic party strategizing.” I won’t link any posts directly, but you can do a search on here, or just look through some of kind of articles the editors of peoplesworld tend to write.
Of course no party is perfect, and many comrades are doing their best to steer the org in a revolutionary direction. They’ve also had many wins in the last few years, coming out against patsocs, and against US funding the war in Ukraine.
Do you think the CPUSA is heading in the correct direction given their recent wins?
I think so.
Thanks. I like the leadership of the CPUSA, but of course, I’m biased.
I prefer Joe Sims’ direction to the direction of John Bachtell previously and especially Sam Webb.
I really wish people would give us a chance and maybe learn our history, but people either learn about, say, Earl Browder (and assume that that’s the CPUSA in a nutshell) or they assume that the 1930s period was the height of it and that’s that.
Nobody seems to learn of our history beyond the 1930s. It sucks. There’s a lot to tell, even in the now-overrated 1930s and especially outside of that period.
Would you post / summarise some of the history in other posts? Maybe in a community where mods will take a hard line so as not to create a situation where your explanation gets derailed (perhaps subject to expected levels of questioning, etc). It can be hard for outsiders to learn this stuff.
It seems that every
westerncommunist org has some dodgy stories attached to its name. I assume most of this is intended to undermine those parties, but it’s hard to know for sure and one doesn’t really want to associate with terrible reactionaries whatever their aesthetics (this is not directed at the CPUSA, btw, about which I know very little).I may, but it’s not my job and I may not have the time, but I can try.
The main thing for me is that they do not cling to the delusion that helping democrats in their electoral politics is going to achieve anything. Any party that wastes its time campaigning for democrats or democrat-affiliated politicians is not a serious communist party. That being said, i am aware that there are many good comrades in the CPUSA, but the overall strategy of the party at the national level seems to me at this time to be erroneous.
I disagree, and I think there is a lot of assumptions about what the CPUSA does.
We are not allowed to endorse Democrats and even had a brief schism about the whole thing which resulted in the ouster of Sam Webb back in 2014 (which, I mean, good riddance).
We have tried to run our own candidates in recent years, particularly at the local level. Plans are drawn up to run other candidates and, of course, Joe Sims is pushing people to do so. But it’s honestly hard, especially with the fact that, true enough, we didn’t run candidates for a long time and many are too old or too young, from what I can tell.
Outside from that? We participate a lot in labor unions (such as the particularly famous Amazon union in New York) and it’s arguably our main strength and we do indeed do mutual aid.
I mean, more to the piont: there’s a lot that the CPUSA does that doesn’t involve anything having to do with elections. We’re a political party (which means we are obliged to run candidates or at least have an opinion on the matter, even encouraging members to vote) but, of course, we’re an activist organization as well, like much of the communist parties on SolidNet (admittedly, that’s sort-of a watered down version of the Comintern of old, but it’s good for sharing ideas, international connections, etc.).
I do believe that @muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml has the right of it, even if he may say things I may not say about the organization myself.
Well then if that is the case i may have been misinformed, and i apologize.
What is the CPUSA’s stance on NATO vs Russia/China if i may ask?
And are there plans to organize anti-war rallies like the recent one put together by the Libertarian Party? Because i find it very disappointing that the libertarians of all people - who otherwise can only be described as unserious clowns - were the first to actually put one together and not the left. I find what that says about the state of the anti-war left in the US quite discouraging.
We already have done so.
CPUSA did simp pretty hard for Biden during 2020 though. They, just like every liberal outlet, painted him as some savior of democracy against fascism. When in truth, Biden is just a quieter fascism. Hell, their subreddit was one of the most libshit places I’d ever been. Ended up getting banned after getting into an argument with a mod about if voting is revolutionary (they claimed it was!).
CPUSA didn’t simp for Biden in 2020 lol
It really did, at least their paper did. Every article was “We must stop the rise of fascism and Biden will do just that!”. On r/cpusa they post like every article that party pushes and it was pure Biden simping. Most pro union president and shit. My view of the party comes from its publications (as its still not really impactful in terms of actions, at least not in my area as its so tiny) and it was pure liberal nonsense. “Voting is a revolutionary act!” Sounding stuff (yes, an article said that).
I remember the CPUSA and People’s World articles; they didn’t say that.
Maybe you just didn’t read the ones I did. Regardless, they definitely did.
They did not.