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    Here’s a little tip for you: If you use “CCP” you’re basically identifying yourself as an ignoramus whose opinions on the topic can be safely ignored. After all if you can’t get the name of an institution correct, what are the odds that you got things that require genuine knowledge and nuance right?

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        Always wise? No. The correct response 99.44% of the time you see “CCP” being used? Absolutely. And I’m willing to sacrifice the 0.56% CCP-users who aren’t raging ignoramuses to avoid reading the same old tired, inaccurate, biased talking points of the 99.44%.

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            The day the average western person is actually interested in learning about things instead of labeling them with their preconceptions and projections is the day I’ll stop thinking of them as ignoramuses.

            Those who are interested in learning are almost by definition not average. And they tend to learn just fine … without even getting butthurt at a correction to the point they go on and on about it interminably for months after getting corrected.

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        When people correct your mistakes, you should learn from that and correct yourself in the future instead of screeching about being harassed.

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        Oh, incidentally, the first sentence on Wikipedia reads:

        The Chinese Communist Party (CCP),[5] officially the Communist Party of China (CPC),[6] is the founding and sole ruling party of the People’s Republic of China (PRC).[7][8]

        (Emphasis is mine, not in original text.)

        The fact that a bunch of outsiders thinks their version is the right one and the actual party itself doesn’t know its own name just tells me that said outsiders can be safely discarded as having any opinions of value or note.

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      If you use “CCP” you’re basically identifying yourself as an ignoramus

      Oh I’m sorry, of course I meant 中國共產黨.

      You seem to have overlooked I actually praised the Communist Party of one of the Chinas in my comment.

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        Or you could use the proper English initialization from their official English name: Communist Party of China. But hey, why not remain an ignoramus and snark instead?

        You seem to have overlooked I actually praised the Communist Party of one of the Chinas in my comment.

        I didn’t. It’s why I told you instead of rolling my eyes and ignoring you.

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          So I bothered to look up 中國共產黨 to see if your claim that CPC is proper and CCP isn’t is true, and honestly it has no merit. Being pedantic about how best to translate it into English doesn’t make you smart or more knowledgeable. Internet propagandists like you for the Chinese government (oh, you’d probably insist only “government of China” is correct) tend to use these kinds of childish irrelevant arguments to deflect attention away from things that matter. I’ve seen similar stupid arguments in official Chinese state propaganda.

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            The OFFICIAL NAME of the Party in English is “The Communist Party of China”.

            Not “the correct translation”. The OFFICIAL NAME.

            It follows, incidentally, the same pattern of naming in a whole bunch of other countries. The Communist Party of Canada, not The Canadian Communist Party. The Communist Party of Cuba, not The Cuban Communist Party. The Communist Party of Korea, not the Korean Communist Party. Etc. etc. etc.

            But hey, you don’t have to believe me. Just go to their official site: http://cpc.people.com.cn/. Then try http://ccp.people.com.cn/ and see where that gets you.

            Getting a name correct is the very most basic element that gets you credibility. If you can’t do that, anything else you say on the subject is highly suspect.

            Consider how much credibility I’d have if I babbled about Germany as “The German Federal Republic” (or, more extremely, translated it like you did and came up with “The Dutch’s Land’s Federal Republic”) or about the USA as “The American United States”. Extrapolate.

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              Consider how much credibility I’d have if I babbled about Germany as “The German Federal Republic” (or, more extremely, translated it like you did and came up with “The Dutch’s Land’s Federal Republic”) or about the USA as “The American United States”. Extrapolate.

              If the entire english speaking world did likewise with irrelevant exceptions then you would not lose any credibility. Calling it “The German Federal Republic” would tell me nothing more beyond that you are part of the english speaking world.

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                The ignorant part of the English speaking world, yes. The part that can be safely ignored as having no useful input when discussing the subject at hand.

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              How funny of you to suggest the CCP is entitled to name itself in English

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                  Imagine the ignorant dipshits of the CCP getting a say

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                    You can seethe and cope all you like there kiddo. Every year you’ll get to watch China get better and stronger while your shithole country falls apart and I’ll be here for it.

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                    If you can’t even get the name right even after being corrected, I’m going to just assume you don’t give a crap about getting any other facts right about them and disregard all your allegations.

                    Fair? Fair.

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          hey, why not remain an ignoramus and snark instead?

          Because most English speaking people, even the ones who lived in China, call the party the CCP. Nobody knows what the CPC is.

          Interesting that you’d only answer me if I praised the CCP and claim to ignore me otherwise.

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            There’s plenty of ignorant right-wing assholes out there who go around spouting utter gibberish about “TEH CCP” (sic) to the point that if I see “CCP” I quickly scan for the usual (inaccurate) talking points, roll my eyes, and move on. The fact you actually managed to say something good about “TEH CCP” (sic) made me think you had a slightly more balanced viewpoint.

            Of course your subsequent performance (and your hilarious romp through my past posts that didn’t look even slightly like a toddler throwing a tantrum, nosiree!) made me change my mind, so I’ll be going back to the old policy: If I see “CCP” I assume ignorant jackass and move on.

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            That fact that Americans are ignorant is entirely the problem with Americans and not the naming of CPC.

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      CCP is a normal abbreviation in English for the Chinese Communist Party. I’m surprised at your ignorance about this fact, honestly.