i hope its allowed, if not pls tell me and i will move it to another instance.

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Not that it’s my place to say, but preferably people shoplift from Walmart and big retail rather than Mom and Pop stores.

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My objection is that shoplifting contributes to food deserts. But hey, I’m just some capitalist shill or something.

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How does shoplifting at Walmart contribute to food deserts? Srs question

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Retail outlets will tolerate a certain amount of product loss (shoplifting) as just a cost of doing business. But if an area has so much shoplifting that the location is losing money, it will eventually get shut down. It doesn’t matter if they’re a massive big box retailer or a mom and pop store. Stores cannot stay open if they are being bled dry by shoplifting, and they will leave eventual.

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If frippa’s efforts leads to any store shutting down I’d be impressed. But yes you have a good point. However it isn’t limited to food deserts. Like it could lead to tech deserts if ppl keep on robbing an apple store

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Alone, of course one person wouldn’t. But if shoplifting is rampant in an area, it absolutely will make a difference. There’s a mall near me that has slowly been hollowed out because the area had an increase in shoplifting. Retail typically runs on very low profit margins, so it’s surprisingly easy to push them into being unprofitable.

I focused on food deserts because (1) food is a critical human need and (2) food must be bought frequently. Traveling to a consumer electronics store is something one would typically do only occasionally. Grocery shopping tends to be somewhere around weekly. But yes, it would equally apply to consumer electronics or other stores.

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What stops the store from stepping up security similar to the way gas stations operate? where you tell them what you want and they bring it to you, and the staff don’t let you into the store.

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Not for ethical reasons tho, both exploit people

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Can we establish a hierarchy of targets to shoplift from?

  1. Tesla, anything Elon owns

  2. Amazon fraud, anything Bezos owns

Basically write out all the billionaires in order of richest to poorest and that should be the lift list

@frippa
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Haha based

comfy
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Sure but one has far more means to exploit far more people, whose employees I would assume are far less motivated to catch shoplifters.

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Pasted: They are still buying and selling commodities produced with the exploitation of the workers, and even if they have let’s sya 1 employee, According to the labor theory of value, that’s an employee exploited (paid less than what he produces) AND EVEN if they don’t have external employees, F- . Engels in the origin of family says that capitalistic behaviors can be found in the family (ex: parents, partners and children coerced to work for basically pennies)

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Not that I’m a scholar, but iirc petite bourgeois aren’t considered nearly as problematic in commie literature as regular bourgeois.

Considering I’m on Lemmy, someone will correct me if I’m wrong

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They are still buying and selling commodities produced with the exploitation of the workers, and even if they have let’s sya 1 employee, According to the labor theory of value, that’s an employee exploited (paid less than what he produces) AND EVEN if they don’t have external employees, F- . Engels in the origin of family says that capitalistic behaviors can be found in the family (ex: parents, partners and children coerced to work for basically pennies)

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In hydrarchy, the captain is paid x2 of regular crew (iirc). In worker co-ops it varies, but the highest pay worker is paid x5.

In like amazon i heard jeff bezos makes x364 ish of the lowest paid worker.

If captain pay = regular crew pay, then no exploitation?

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come on not all small shops are coops

@sascuach
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I’ve worked for a few small shops, and yeah I agree they’re non optimal.

If captain pay = regular crew pay, then no exploitation?

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No exploitation = you’re paid the value of your work, impossible in capitalism

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Worker coops can and do exist under the larger umbrella off capitalism, and within that company, you’re paid reasonably. If capitalism stop existing what difference would that make to Worker coops?

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I’m just saying that not all small shops are coops and that not all coops are small, ergo. Shoplifting from small stores ≠ shoplifting from coops

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Okay ic we mostly agree :)

Everytime I see a community like this I assume it’s a cop creating it.

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Half the time anybody wants to post anything that could be vaguely described as activism, a netizen calls it a sting operation

I wish it was a sting operation.

@sascuach
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I wish I was a sting operation

@frippa
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Hi Mr fed /j

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=( maybe I should post my hauls

krolden
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Nice! The subreddit was good until it just became people posting their hauls and obviously was banned.

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I work in retail and we have shoplifters all the time because we are in a shady area. Lots of arrests but some people get away. I have doubts even with the rampant shoplifting the place will ever shut down. I don’t see a huge issue about having a community for it. It’s not going to enable more successful shoplifting.

@sascuach
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It’s not going to enable more successful shopliftin

Then the community would have failed in its primary objective

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The report feature does not work for me, If anybody wants to try they can copy paste what i wrote:

To me this crosses a line, breaking the law because your pet economic theory says it’s ok, It might attract a bad crowd and maybe even cause legal problems.

@sascuach
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If you work for Amazon and they don’t pay you $100, legal.

If you work for Amazon and you take $100 extra, illegal.

It should be same rules for both.

Cc @frippa@lemmy.ml

the famous bad crowd - shoplifters

@frippa
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My pet economic theory ruled half of the world

Don’t expect mods to do anything about this even if you report it, they are very in line with this. You may want to switch to a different instance if you’re not okay with this kind of garbage.

@wiki_me
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People can believe what they want to believe, but there has to be a line somewhere no?

what next? rape and murder a CEO ? (a lemmy community with tips and tricks)

@sascuach
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murder a CEO

Hate to break it to you, but when you hear people say “eat the Rich”

They constantly defend genocide and torture against political dissidents in “Communist” countries, so I expect the kind of things you mentioned to follow.

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Don’t lump us anarkitties in with our communists comrades - we oppose all countries

You’re all terrible people.

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