To everyone saying this is “both sides bad” shit: that is an incorrect characterization, as that would imply the parties are on different sides.
redditors in this thread, go back
no u
nah
Redditors? Down with them!
I agree. I was a redditor. But now I’m done. Fuck Spez. (Hence why I said “no u”. The redditors that are here don’t want to go back)
You might want to figure out the politics of the community you’ve stumbled into, then.
Why must people always misinterpret this?
No, leftists are not trying to appeal to homophobic white people with this.
They’re reminding you that Democrats will still oppress the working class irrespective of your race, gender, or orientation.
Though don’t kid yourself, the Democratic Party still oppresses black and queer folks when they think they don’t need black and queer votes.
No, leftists are not trying to appeal to homophobic white people with this
Is that how people interpret this? Wew
The brain worms are so deep, they’re tape worms that have made their way up through the host.
There’s a surprising amount of Republicans that talk about the “Uniparty”
Elaborate, please? Not sure I understand what you mean
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/17/steve-bannon-populist-ralph-nader-215839/
It’s a word they use to describe “where the Republicans and Democrats seem to be fusing together.”
Thanks! Well it is only logical, they serve the same interests
Indeed, it’s funny how only the extremes of US politics can recognize that
Okay, what is with all the Democrat-defending libs in this thread. Reddit-tier logic.
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Pop quiz! What’s the best funded terrorist organization in the world!?
The US military.
Three letter state agencies
How were they even admitted to Lemmygrad, I wonder?
They’re mostly from federated instances.
Mostly? I would hope entirely 😰
Unfortunately one of the most vocal defenders in this thread is someone from here 😩
And the name they use is just wild, given these views.
Come on, comrade, let’s be respectful to Comrade Wisconcom
fuck all these liberals appealing to “dems make things better for the working class”. the working class does not start and end at the amerikkkan border motherfucker.
the Dems being for the working class is an old folk tale that just won’t die
Important point. From the 95,5% of humanity USA present nearly uniform face regardless of who is in power. And this goes not only for the victims of US but for their vassals too. Barely anyone outside US gives a shit about the US political theatre, even the analysis of the comprador euro think tanks smells with indifference under the flimsy mask of engagement.
Can confirm.
- Post mentions U.S. political parties
- Post mentions BLM, started in the U.S. in response to the U.S. police murdering a U.S. citizen
- Post has a rose emoji, frequently used by leftists in the U.S.
“Man, why would anyone think we’re talking about the U.S.?”
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Flattening every conversation about U.S. politics to “you idiot, the U.S. does horrible things to other countries!” is stupid. No one here is arguing with you on that. We have a hundred posts about U.S. crimes abroad, we can talk about what goes on inside the U.S., too.
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Did I say Democrats are good?
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“Democrats have done a few good things” is not remotely the same as “Democrats are good,” especially when I go out of my way a bunch of times to say Democrats are not good.
You know what critical support is? You know what the CPC line on Stalin is (70% good, 30% bad)? Then you know “they’ve done some things good” is not a blanket endorsement, even if a person has done a whole hell of a lot more good than Democrats ever have.
Not sure what you’re on about. The comment is clearly at liberals in this thread trying to appeal to “benefits” for the “working class” without acknowledging many of these “benefits” come at the cost of the exploited global south. Thinking that the working class struggle starts and ends at one nation’s borders and is not part of an international struggle is braindead at best, fascist at worst. Not sure why I’m explaining this to someone named @MarxMadness.
Thinking that the working class struggle starts and ends at one nation’s borders
No one is saying this. People are seeing the U.S. context and responding to that, then others are ignoring the context to argue with them.
got it, severe case of liberalism. hope it isn’t terminal. not sure how/why you signed up for lemmygrad but stick around maybe you’ll learn some things.
Bullshit like yours makes this place more like reddit, not less.
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Y’all working class libs need to read State and revolution. And reform or revolution.
USA are a capitalist dystopia with two parties, one is a rightwing neo-liberal and the other are Nazis as is
Which is which?
Normally Democrats a right wing and Republicans Nazis, but the differences are not clear defined.
I dunno. I’d say the Nazis are pretty obvious. Dems are center right, but only the fakers appear as Nazis. Then they break and become Indies.
I’d say the Nazis are pretty obvious.
Indeed they are.
A yes, hugging a Jew and using a background on the colors of the American flag. You can’t get any more Nazi than that.
Because we all know that no Jewish person has ever been a fascist, nor has the heckin’ wholesome state of Israel ever engaged in Nazi-like ethnic cleansing.
And just look at these wholesome Ukrainian crusaders against the evil RuZZian imperialists! Just like a marvel movie, amirite?
Hugging a Nazi collaborating far right crook and fellow mass murderer.
Damn, looks like this post attracted all the liberals.
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Wisconcom alts working overtime?
Nah, it was me, I’m sorry. I accidentally did an @liberals and pinged every liberal on Lemmy
Alright this comment section was fun but reddit liberals will never change their minds on anything (if they did they wouldn’t try to make Lemmy into Reddit), so I’m locking this.
PS: if you support the democrats I hope they drone strike your house like they drone striked a Pakistani wedding since you seem to like them so much :)
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I’m pretty sure I’ve seen that tweet before, but I can’t remember where
This is about the best summation of the parties that I’ve seen. Made me chuckle and call my partner to have a look. Well done.
Yes, let us not worry about people who are being systematically targeted for discrimination and political oppression in favor of helping people who are being targeted for systematic discrimination and oppression.
What’s the political calculus here? Poor but racist and homophobic white people will totally vote for you as long as you let them do whatever they want to other Americans?
One of the major reasons why the US has its same old shitty health care policy is because segregationists refused to support a national health care program that would treat black americans like white americans, and with the same staff in the same facilities. The NYT has a great spread on it.
And, just by the way, they’re not going to vote for Democrats if the Democrats become as racist, homophobic, transphobic, and misogynistic as Republicans, because then it would be about socialism or climate change or helping retirees.
Republicans flog the culture war horse because they have zero policies that anyone outside of a handful of extremely wealthy people would support. Do you think some redneck in the panhandle is going to drag his congregation to the polls in order to reduce regulations on banks? Nope, but he will do it if you get his racism and homophobia going by talking about immigration and, for the love of fuck for some reason, drag shows.
What’s your message here? I’m not clear on your point or how it relates to the post.
My point is that the alt-right tries repeatedly to divide progressives by telling them to throw some part of their movement under the bus, because they know that if they can get people to break with the ideas of social solidarity, the fascists can win cleanly.
It’s the same with the motherfuckers advocating “lgb, forget the t,” as if we in the queer rights movement don’t know it’s all of us they’re after, historically and today. As if we wouldn’t stand together anyway, no matter the circumstances.
My point in mentioning health care in the US is that it’s not about trying to help the working class for a large swath of voters. People were willing to give up a national health care program in order to keep institutionalized racism. Hell, the whole reason why the evangelicals joined the republican party and did so with such a huge effect is because the democrats whites to desegregate bible colleges. That’s the actual reason abortion became a political thing, by the way. When Roe was announced, the Southern Baptist Convention came out in favor of it, saying that it moved women’s rights forward.
Alt-right trolls today (and others, who I am sure are fine people) try to push the narrative that Democrats are sacrificing pro-labor legislation and instead concentrating on the people who don’t matter - like women, african americans, and the lgbt community. We all know it’s bullshit, because they never point to a potential piece of legislation and say “X would have passed if you weren’t trying to protect women’s healthcare.”
Saying Dems pay attention to social issues at the expense of other issues is a bullshit charge because a) the other issues are being pursued, b) rights are the issue, and c) you’re not going to gain votes by doing so - you’re going to lose them and lose congress even more.
Hmm… I took it to mean that the Republicans don’t care, and the Democrats don’t care while supporting diversity. We’re almost all part of the working class though, so by not caring about the working class as a whole, they’re still screwing everyone, including the marginalized groups they champion.
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No #blm No, but I’ll grab your pussy
