Eh, there’s truth and lies on both sides. Coming from someone that lived in china for 4 years and was able to engage with Chinese primary news sources. But basic healthcare in china is faster and cheaper, but then again I went to get a wart removed and they prescribed me acorn paste that accelerated the growth of the wart. So win some lose some.
The wart had to grow so it could be killed
Wart fertilizer perhaps
Everyone pretending Europe doesn’t exist? Most countries have most healthcare for “free” (mandatory healthcare taxes).
No. So many goods cannot be produced by children, it is inefficient.
New tagline dropped
That’s a banger
Who must I harass to get it enshrined?
No idea, as far as I know taglines just get added mysteriously
It’s uncomfortable seeing Xi with an actual jawline…
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I spent $82 USD on cold, flu and bronchitis treatment last year!
The fact that this is considered expensive there made me do a choking double take in the same way as learning that an actual mansion in the 70s used to cost like 20 grand.
i mean they do have lower incomes
the median income in China is around 26,800 Yuan (USD 3,855) per month. $82 USD (492yuan) is actually expensive. Since it is median income, you can expect a lot of people are not making that amount especially in the inland regions.
Comparing it to the States is not the good flex that people think it is.
Median monthly income in China according to most sources I can find is just 1300-1400 USD. Still, 82 USD for that income is not expensive, and that’s for higher end private medical care outside the main healthcare system.
It’d be like an American paying for medical care with a weeks groceries.
As a portion of median income it’s still far far better than the out of pocket costs in the US (just like pretty much every other country on earth)
If I went to the doctor for bronchitis, then I would pay about 15 dollars after insurance for the visit and prescriptions. Hospitalization would completely different though, and I think that’s a better comparison to make.
Assuming insurance covers it. And you only have a 60% chance of having it covered.
I’m with Ambetter, which has one of the lowest denial rates in the country, about 13% I believe.
This also is under the assumption you’ve met your deductable for the year already which for many HDHP can sometimes be hard.
Per wikipedia (I know, but I don’t think this kind of data is political enough to be subject to the NATOpedia treatment, it’s originally from the census bureau), the median income for workers in the US in 2023 was 40,480 USD. That’s 3373.33.
What about purchasing power or whatever that metric is called?
Edit: and it is still a flex. Being able to talk to a doctor without taking a loan is pretty good compared to the us
Depends of where you live, in tier 1 Cities (if you want to live for opportunities and make a decent income). You can’t really survive well with a 3,855 per month if you don`t have a paid house from your parents.
It is difficult for migrant workers who can’t afford a decent living standard unless you live with 4-5 people in a 2 bedrooms rentals.
In terms of healthcare, you if you don`t live in a big city that benefited from reform and opening up, a severe health issue can be a death sentence.
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You are uneducated.
Edit because I hate people talking about debates. There is nothing to debate, you are just propagandised. Debating you would be like debating a climate denier. All you have to say (and I know this before you even say anything because you lot are carbon copies of the same tired long-disproven state department talking points) would be better if you at least had the humility to entertain the notion you are in the wrong, and therefore should present your statements as questions.
Double edit: Define tankie without using “totalitarian” or “authoritarian”. Then define those words
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A doctor is someone who is learned in the knowledge of treating the sick. See, its actually easy when words have meanings.
I asked you not to use authoritarian and totalitarian because both words are devoid of meaning, functioning only to signify something bad or nefarious.
You have also wrongfully defined tankie even though you broke the rules.As for propaganda, are you saying that russia and china themselves spread propaganda that makes them look bad?
I know I use big words, but I believe in you buddy! You will be able to understand the text, maybe ask a grownup for help.
We so far have “authoritarian communism” and “authoritarian dictatorship”. This is really funny.
My problem is not with your economic system but the way you are enforcing it.
Happy to hear you also is against capitalism. I am also against how it is enforced. I must assume that is what you mean when you talk of my economic system, since that is the one within I exist.
As for a fact i believe
Lmao, that’s a great bit. Anyway neither Russia nor China claims to be communist, but we’ve been thru this - you are uneducated. It’s really surprising with Russia though, seeing as how they don’t even claim to be socialist or working towards communism.
The only difference between the us and china is that in the us the business owners controll the politicians and in china the politicians controll the business owners.
I’m happy to see you’re still able to visit Reddit, even after all the issue with the API and so on. There’s actually a lot more differences including where they’re located geographically, how you spell the names of the countries, who the president is, how people vote, how many people are in prison and for what reason, how many dogs the cops shoot, how stupid the average netizen is.
Anyway if you want to be taken seriously figure out what a “tankie” is, define authoritarianism and totalitarianism. Bonus points if you manage to use a source that’s not Wikipedia (that’s a discussion that’s a bit too advanced for you, we’ll take that one another time)
The Russian Federation is not communist I have no idea why you keep saying that. As for China, try to learn something today and read this
A tankie is literally someone who believes in authoritarian communism
How could you achieve communism or socialism without authoritarianism? Do you believe in revolution? Is a revolution not the most authoritarian process imaginable, the forced imposition of a new reality by one class unto another?
can you explain what you actually disagree with? and are the tactics in question just using wojaks and being a little rude sometimes?
Thanks for coming right out of the gate raving about tankies so that everyone can just discard your opinion without wasting any time. Maybe participate in good faith. Ask for book recommendations to educate yourself. Or just keep using the liberal version of “everything I hate is because of woke” and remain ignorant forever. Up to you champ.
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You are literally talking out of your ass. If you were to educate yourself then you’d start out by asking questions and you wouldn’t try to be evasive when challenged.
What you are actually doing is being a smug debate lord acting in bad faith, and if you could at least own up to it then we could all have a mucb more pleasant interaction.If you think watching youtube and “connecting the dots” of forum comments is educating yourself you are even more ignorant than I had assumed. Learn history from reputable historians. Become familiar with even basic Marxist economics. Those are things that are actually meaningful and enlightening unlike poorly thought out youtube videos that primarily exist to hunt for low effort clicks. You’re just cruising on pure vibes based analysis without any of the underlying knowledge of the subject.
What did you watch, Innuendo Studios’ How to Radicalize a Normie series or something? I find it kinda funny that you’re being so vague about what exactly it is that bothers you about ‘tankies’ as opposed to other leftists because I’m pretty sure a lot of the people you’re arguing with aren’t Marxist-Leninists or anything. It’s giving shadowboxing vibes.
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This is breaking my brain… world news told me it was bad and told me what “experts” say about privacy.
OPSEC-wise you should avoid most mainstream social media anyway unless you’re using Tor or a VPN, whether it’s Xitter, Insta, or Rednote
Said social media blocks you from using tor. Reddit back in the day freaked out when the apparent ip keeps switching and forces you to login again and again.
Which world news? Makes a big difference.
Earth world duh
Not everything! For instance, we don’t wear shoes to bed.
You wear them indoors though, right?
Unless I stop people at the door they will generally walk straight into my house tracking dirt all over my very pretty rugs. I don’t understand how so many people can apparently live like that at their own place it’s so nasty.
“What if you stepped on dog poop out on the street, and you went home without realizing it? What if the American father and mother and eldest son and eldest daughter all stepped on poop and went home without realizing it?”Boots only
Wait, no? I’m not even chinese and I believed.
imagine making social media so bad your own citizens actively procure your biggest rival’s networks.
There’s a bunch of Chinese posts asking if the stuff about school shootings, fires, homelessness are exaggerated propaganda only to be told otherwise. It’s both hilarious and sad.
School shootings is something uniquely american. Even México doesn’t have them and we have a decent amount of narcojuniors (rich sons of drug dealers) that would have plenty access to guns, the only time i remember a school shooting happening it was in a private school in Monterrey like 7 years ago, which is pretty much the most americanized part of México.
People of the US and China are both unsure of what to believe about the other, because both are so propagandized lol
Who told you that the people of China are propagandized, especially to hate other countries and peoples as much as the US does?
Their access to news is controlled and for some topics all available news is what we’d call propaganda. Particularly anything about Japan or the Taiwan issue. Most people I know there realize this to an extent but without any other information do still believe the core idea even if skeptical of details.
But at the same time I’d argue there’s no such thing as a population that’s not propagandized. In the US the big news corporations only will present views favorable to their profitability and continued growth. Sure they disagree with eachother, but it’s still always a pro-business view. State news from Russia is (I’d argue rightly) not available on many US platforms to discourage it’s influence for example.
Woah I never recognized your username in the wild before. Thanks for giving us Lemmy. Huge fan.
No probs!
Scroll down, addressed this three times in this thread already.
You mean how both China, and the US propagandize their citizens? Yeah, I’m fully aware of that already. All states will do it, as a system of control over the working class, in order to continue to exploit them.
I mean, if controlling the people wasn’t the goal, whats the purpose of the oppression of a state?
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huge false equivalence
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“Americans have a year paid? Maternity? Leave!”Norway actually does.
Source: Am norwegiam. Am parent.In the US? Lol, no.
Source: I work with a bunch of Texans.
“And our tests have concluded, that this is, in fact, a lie.”
If only…
Circle jerking about China is as ridiculous as circle jerking about the US. We’ve been here before with US vs USSR, but this time everyone has a megaphone and an IQ that can be measured with a ruler.
Niether Moscow or Washington, but somehow Washington actually
Wow those sure are some thoughts you managed to have. Big boys and girl and gems usually like to talk to each other and listen. You should try it. Use your words. What is your critique of the USSR and why do you perceive “realising we’ve been propagandised about china” as being akin to a circle of people masturbating?
You keep on coping there little buddy. What’s happening is that regular people from both countries are now talking directly to each other, and finding out what life is actually like.
what was preventing them from doing it before?
I mean isn’t this more "circle jerking " about dismantling state propaganda? Interacting with those you were told are your enemy?
Besides, people should always celebrate the positives, and look towards them as something that is possible in their country too.
And as an fyi: when we were here before, the workers revolution in Russia was new. The achievements were so profound that workers in North America began demanding similar concessions from our governments. There was a real threat of overthrowing the existing power structures. And what happened? Weekends, literacy, healthcare, just generally improved living conditions. To dismiss cultural exchange as circle jerking is to ignore history and the power that comes with knowing things are better elsewhere, and that you can have that too.
Fuck yeah
Make a point you verbose idiot. You said literally nothing of enough substance to know what’s in your little rat brain.
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You know if you’re going to call everyone who disagrees with you stupid you should at least have a single point in any of your posts. It just doesn’t land the way you’re doing it here.
At least I can articulate what I’m mad about ya fuckin loser
Yes I am annoyed at someone making a stupid statement, proudly exhibiting their lack of knowledge and xenophobia. Why exactly do you think it is a bad thing to be able to be emotionally affected?
It appears that the general tone of this thread is an attempt at serious and jovial discussion, which entails empathy and taking each other seriously.
Would you rather not be taken seriously? Why?
Would you rather be treated with apathy? Why?
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If what you’re trying to get at is that whereas it is very important to unlearn the lies and exaggerations one was told about a country, that people also need to avoid replacing these lies with an overly simplistic and uncritical understanding of that same country, and that the current social media landscape makes it very difficult for many people to have the necessary nuance to avoid this pitfall… Then I would agree with you, but I’d also tell you that mentioning the eugenicists’ favorite way of measuring “intelligence” is a very bad way of phrasing this idea, and that your standards of what counts as “circle-jerking” about a country are probably not nearly as inviting of nuance as you’d think.
…mentioning the eugenicists’ favorite way of measuring “intelligence” is a very bad way of phrasing this idea…
100% agree. The IQ thing is a tired and lazy joke. I need to work on a replacement for that old jab.
Truth: the strongest propaganda.
If banning tik tok ends up galvanizing demand for healthcare reform I’m going to laugh my ass off
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Good comrades like Lady Izdihar are taking off in a big way, might help radicalize a lot of people towards Marxism even.
Rednote’s algorithm seems very receptive to communist content, at least compared to what I’m used to. Hope it stays that way.
Me too!
It’s honestly very wholesome to see this kind of interaction. On top of cute moments like Chinese users telling the new US users that they are their “spies,” seeing a lot of blatant myth dispelling surrounding the PRC is great to help tear down the Red Scare.
