Edit because I hate people talking about debates. There is nothing to debate, you are just propagandised. Debating you would be like debating a climate denier. All you have to say (and I know this before you even say anything because you lot are carbon copies of the same tired long-disproven state department talking points) would be better if you at least had the humility to entertain the notion you are in the wrong, and therefore should present your statements as questions.
Double edit: Define tankie without using “totalitarian” or “authoritarian”. Then define those words
A tankie is literally someone who believes in authoritarian communism
How could you achieve communism or socialism without authoritarianism? Do you believe in revolution? Is a revolution not the most authoritarian process imaginable, the forced imposition of a new reality by one class unto another?
How could you achieve communism or socialism without authoritarianism?
Same way the Neozapatistas have done? By actually showing your system is better, and letting people join your movement. And allow them to leave, if they desire.
A doctor is someone who is learned in the knowledge of treating the sick. See, its actually easy when words have meanings.
I asked you not to use authoritarian and totalitarian because both words are devoid of meaning, functioning only to signify something bad or nefarious.
You have also wrongfully defined tankie even though you broke the rules.
As for propaganda, are you saying that russia and china themselves spread propaganda that makes them look bad?
I know I use big words, but I believe in you buddy! You will be able to understand the text, maybe ask a grownup for help.
We so far have “authoritarian communism” and “authoritarian dictatorship” and a communist Russia. Your statements are at best meaningless. Even at their worst they’re still really funny.
My problem is not with your economic system but the way you are enforcing it.
Happy to hear you are also against capitalism. I am also against how it is enforced. I must assume that is what you mean when you talk of my economic system, since that is the one within which I exist.
As for a fact i believe
Lmao, that’s a great bit. Anyway neither Russia nor China claims to be communist, but we’ve been thru this - you are uneducated. It’s really surprising with Russia though, seeing as how they don’t even claim to be socialist or working towards communism. Are you confusing the russian federation for a union of soviet republics that hasn’t existed in decades? Are you senile?
The only difference between the us and china is that in the us the business owners controll the politicians and in china the politicians controll the business owners.
I’m happy to see you’re still able to visit Reddit, even after all the issue with the API and so on. There’s actually a lot more differences including where they’re located geographically, how you spell the names of the countries, who the president is, how people vote, how many people are in prison and for what reason, how many dogs the cops shoot, how stupid the average netizen is.
Anyway if you want me to take you seriously then figure out what a “tankie” is, define authoritarianism and totalitarianism. Bonus points if you manage to use a source that’s not Wikipedia (that’s a discussion that’s a bit too advanced for you, we’ll take that one another time). Until then I will treat you like the clown you behave as.
Thanks for coming right out of the gate raving about tankies so that everyone can just discard your opinion without wasting any time. Maybe participate in good faith. Ask for book recommendations to educate yourself. Or just keep using the liberal version of “everything I hate is because of woke” and remain ignorant forever. Up to you champ.
What did you watch, Innuendo Studios’ How to Radicalize a Normie series or something? I find it kinda funny that you’re being so vague about what exactly it is that bothers you about ‘tankies’ as opposed to other leftists because I’m pretty sure a lot of the people you’re arguing with aren’t Marxist-Leninists or anything. It’s giving shadowboxing vibes.
You are literally talking out of your ass. If you were to educate yourself then you’d start out by asking questions and you wouldn’t try to be evasive when challenged.
What you are actually doing is being a smug debate lord acting in bad faith, and if you could at least own up to it then we could all have a mucb more pleasant interaction.
If you think watching youtube and “connecting the dots” of forum comments is educating yourself you are even more ignorant than I had assumed. Learn history from reputable historians. Become familiar with even basic Marxist economics. Those are things that are actually meaningful and enlightening unlike poorly thought out youtube videos that primarily exist to hunt for low effort clicks. You’re just cruising on pure vibes based analysis without any of the underlying knowledge of the subject.
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You are uneducated.
Edit because I hate people talking about debates. There is nothing to debate, you are just propagandised. Debating you would be like debating a climate denier. All you have to say (and I know this before you even say anything because you lot are carbon copies of the same tired long-disproven state department talking points) would be better if you at least had the humility to entertain the notion you are in the wrong, and therefore should present your statements as questions.
Double edit: Define tankie without using “totalitarian” or “authoritarian”. Then define those words
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The Russian Federation is not communist I have no idea why you keep saying that. As for China, try to learn something today and read this
https://redsails.org/losurdo-on-china/
How could you achieve communism or socialism without authoritarianism? Do you believe in revolution? Is a revolution not the most authoritarian process imaginable, the forced imposition of a new reality by one class unto another?
Same way the Neozapatistas have done? By actually showing your system is better, and letting people join your movement. And allow them to leave, if they desire.
A doctor is someone who is learned in the knowledge of treating the sick. See, its actually easy when words have meanings.
I asked you not to use authoritarian and totalitarian because both words are devoid of meaning, functioning only to signify something bad or nefarious.
You have also wrongfully defined tankie even though you broke the rules.
I know I use big words, but I believe in you buddy! You will be able to understand the text, maybe ask a grownup for help.
We so far have “authoritarian communism” and “authoritarian dictatorship” and a communist Russia. Your statements are at best meaningless. Even at their worst they’re still really funny.
Happy to hear you are also against capitalism. I am also against how it is enforced. I must assume that is what you mean when you talk of my economic system, since that is the one within which I exist.
Lmao, that’s a great bit. Anyway neither Russia nor China claims to be communist, but we’ve been thru this - you are uneducated. It’s really surprising with Russia though, seeing as how they don’t even claim to be socialist or working towards communism. Are you confusing the russian federation for a union of soviet republics that hasn’t existed in decades? Are you senile?
I’m happy to see you’re still able to visit Reddit, even after all the issue with the API and so on. There’s actually a lot more differences including where they’re located geographically, how you spell the names of the countries, who the president is, how people vote, how many people are in prison and for what reason, how many dogs the cops shoot, how stupid the average netizen is.
Anyway if you want me to take you seriously then figure out what a “tankie” is, define authoritarianism and totalitarianism. Bonus points if you manage to use a source that’s not Wikipedia (that’s a discussion that’s a bit too advanced for you, we’ll take that one another time). Until then I will treat you like the clown you behave as.
Thanks for coming right out of the gate raving about tankies so that everyone can just discard your opinion without wasting any time. Maybe participate in good faith. Ask for book recommendations to educate yourself. Or just keep using the liberal version of “everything I hate is because of woke” and remain ignorant forever. Up to you champ.
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What did you watch, Innuendo Studios’ How to Radicalize a Normie series or something? I find it kinda funny that you’re being so vague about what exactly it is that bothers you about ‘tankies’ as opposed to other leftists because I’m pretty sure a lot of the people you’re arguing with aren’t Marxist-Leninists or anything. It’s giving shadowboxing vibes.
You are literally talking out of your ass. If you were to educate yourself then you’d start out by asking questions and you wouldn’t try to be evasive when challenged.
What you are actually doing is being a smug debate lord acting in bad faith, and if you could at least own up to it then we could all have a mucb more pleasant interaction.
If you think watching youtube and “connecting the dots” of forum comments is educating yourself you are even more ignorant than I had assumed. Learn history from reputable historians. Become familiar with even basic Marxist economics. Those are things that are actually meaningful and enlightening unlike poorly thought out youtube videos that primarily exist to hunt for low effort clicks. You’re just cruising on pure vibes based analysis without any of the underlying knowledge of the subject.
can you explain what you actually disagree with? and are the tactics in question just using wojaks and being a little rude sometimes?