if lab-grown anything becomes the norm, then we become entirely beholden to capitalists and whatever they decide in the ways of food supply and access. fuck lab-grown.
So nothing changes at all? 95% of people get their food from supermarkets anyways?
you don’t have any farmers markets around where you live?
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not even seasonal? i live in a very cold place atm, where you can’t grow things most of the year, so in the nearby city (some 40km off) the farmers market is only available between august and september. most people don’t live in cold places though, and most people live in cities, and cities usually always have a few farmer’s markets. i.e. new york supposedly has over 400 farmer’s markets (according to google).
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But yeah, you seem to be mostly describing farmer’s market being common in the US. I don’t know about other countries but they are not really a common thing over here in Iceland.
nah, i used NY as an example, as i assume most users here are american. i’ve never actually been to america, but it seems they do have a huge farmer’s market culture. and while i’ve never been to iceland, it doesn’t strike me as one good for farming; what with the ice. ash. vikings… can’t have a farmer’s market if most goods are pillaged from norway. it’d be more like… a spoils market, where you dump the rotting left-overs from the pillage, like, shark fins.
but yeah culture is important too. according to my thai friends (i don’t know if it’s universal across the country), their culture dictates no one should even cook their own food, so most homes don’t come with kitchens. it’s all about the street foods; and they have no distinction of vegetarianism, veganism, etc. so buyers beware when they label something ‘vegan’ at the food stops. they do have plenty of farmer’s markets though, and as a patron to those markets while living there, especially since there’s no hygiene requirements for their street restaurants, i did end up buying an electric kitchen to cook my own food.
but yeah, i’ve lived in other asian and european countries, and farmer’s markets are pretty common place. food is universal, and farming likewise, so it would be a bit odd for there not to be farmers markets. iceland is an exception of course. vikings hellbent on making a sheet of ice habitable is as good an excuse as any!
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Yes, but still, 95% of people get their food from supermarkets anyways.
and your percentage is sourced from…?
It’s a correct guess
that’s not how guessing work lol
I don’t think this is much of a problem. As @sexy_peach points out, there’s no virtually no change, and worst case, there’s always the vegetarian world.
I usually shop food at farmers market’s wherever I go in the world. Sellers run out of their fresh produce pretty quickly though, so they’re usually not open more than once or twice a day. I don’t know the statistics, but I don’t think it’s correct to say most people shop in supermarkets; considering the availability of farmers markets and how fast they run out of supply. Higher quality fresh produce at lower prices, vs shopping at a third party distributor like a supermarket? Why would anyone willingly choose that given the options?
Sure, if you live in an industrial small town, there’s probably no farmers market available (I assume, because there’s no farmland or farmers nearby); but most people in the world don’t live in such places, and indeed, most cities do have farmers markets.
this is a very good point, I’ve not thought of it this way before.
A lot of people eat meat because they want to, not because they need to (and thus we get distracted by debates about us being omnivorous rather than herbivorous), but obviously fundamentally we can thrive pretty well as total herbivores hence many of us being “vegan for the animals” which leads us to these questions around animal products as food. I went vegetarian in 1988, then went vegan in 2006 - one of the questions I then faced from other vegetarians was “why vegan, when eggs etc don’t have to inherently harm the animal” and this led to good discussions around human interests interfering with animal interests: if we want more eggs, we want the hen to produce more, and so on; there becomes a resource or monetary motive that disregards the animal. As a longtime vegan who does sometimes eat meat substitutes like veggie burgers and tofu dogs, lab meat fascinates me because it suggests all these other alternatives aren’t good enough, and we have to have some sort of biological link to flesh for our food. And that brings us back to being herbivores playing carnivore - and all for what? Because when the upper classes ate meat, the rest of the population wanted to emulate them; meat was a status symbol for a long time. Today it’s cultural: companies and supermarkets and farmers markets sell us meat because it’s normalised but as an anarchist myself I reject hierarchies and I reject hierarchies over nature in this way. We don’t need to kill animals and we don’t fucking need lab meat. What the fuck is wrong with us? Lol.
yeah I totally agree. Please format your post a little bit next time though :D
You mean paragraphs and such? Sorry about that…I started out typing while multitasking and thinking “this will just be a little point, no need to use paragraphs and extend the post…” Oops!
Bad habit ends now! 😁
Haha don’t worry about it
s/if/when/
First they will want to know what an animal is
like this?
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Being omnivorous doesn’t mean meat is a small part of our diet, I think the better word is flexitarian.
Will they also see cats & other carnivores as monsters then?
No because they don’t have moral agency. Children can be very cruel but aren’t seen as monsters as well.
